Return old rewards to provide more incentive for veterans to PvP.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

hey what does a feast player who reached top 100 have in common with a person who cleared all the ultimate raids?
they cheated the system at some point in some fashion, don't pretend they didn't.
People who wear the feast gear most likely cheated so whenever somebody wears that i just look at em and be like "You know what you did you little rat."

That is inflammatory hyper-generalization and you know it.

You can hate the fact that there have been and likely are bad actors among them, but me and many others did in fact not cheat for our Top 100 rankings and tried their best to compete. I managed to get mine because I decided to play until the final day in blind week of Season 19. Had I not and had I not sweated as Warrior I'd not have been on it.

I don't care if you do this to troll for your own amusement or genuinely believe this, you are basically calling us cheaters for being guilty by association, intentionally or not - so cut the BS.

[Towa-Musa]

That is inflammatory hyper-generalization and you know it.

You can hate the fact that there have been and likely are bad actors among them, but me and many others did in fact not cheat for our Top 100 rankings and tried their best to compete. I managed to get mine because I decided to play until the final day in blind week of Season 19. Had I not and had I not sweated as Warrior I'd not have been on it.

I don't care if you do this to troll for your own amusement or genuinely believe this, you are basically calling us cheaters for being guilty by association, intentionally or not - so cut the BS.

sure theres exceptions to the rule but 95% of the time its safe to assume people who have any of the feast gear probably gamed the system somehow at some point, you cannot serious make me believe that this is not the case. don't care if it wounds your pride buddy just accept the truth.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

sure theres exceptions to the rule but 95% of the time its safe to assume people who have any of the feast gear probably gamed the system somehow at some point, you cannot serious make me believe that this is not the case. don't care if it wounds your pride buddy just accept the truth.

Im not gonna accept things as truth when you throw a pile of garbage into the wind and claim "see, told you so, that's how it is".

We know there are outliers who DID CHEAT the system, nobody is denying that. But I speak for many that you're being full of sh** if you think it is correct to put everyone who was top 100 before into one massive bag and start whscking being like " 95% of them deserve it anyways" like where do you even pull this data from?

Have you actually COMPETED for top 100 in past seasons? Judging your join date, you couldve still been there for Season 19 and 20.

If you haven't been there, how can you know?

[Towa-Musa]

Im not gonna accept things as truth when you throw a pile of garbage into the wind and claim "see, told you so, that's how it is".

We know there are outliers who DID CHEAT the system, nobody is denying that. But I speak for many that you're being full of sh** if you think it is correct to put everyone who was top 100 before into one massive bag and start whscking being like " 95% of them deserve it anyways" like where do you even pull this data from?

Have you actually COMPETED for top 100 in past seasons? Judging your join date, you couldve still been there for Season 19 and 20.

If you haven't been there, how can you know?

i know people who have been in the community since 1.0 and they know people who are STILL playing but just avoiding pvp for reasons i will disclose here (because im not allowed to share names) and they taught me how to pvp and they're one of the reasons i even got my slaughter house title. i just know but thats OK, you don't have to accept it... the truth hurts you before it sets you free after all.

(the top 100 funnily enough know eachother, aint that strange?)

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

i know people who have been in the community since 1.0 and they know people who are STILL playing but just avoiding pvp for reasons i will disclose here (because im not allowed to share names) and they taught me how to pvp and they're one of the reasons i even got my slaughter house title. i just know but thats OK, you don't have to accept it... the truth hurts you before it sets you free after all.

(the top 100 funnily enough know eachother, aint that strange?)

So basically your entire argument is based on hear-say from other people who you know?

[Towa-Musa]

So basically your entire argument is based on hear-say from other people who you know?

lmao yeah its easy for you to say that when you don't know what i know.

we can pretend that there NO WAY that they abuse the system and get their friends to match make with them at the same time as them (like the people from EU do)

just think, theres some that are top 100 in EU getting caught for this shite by the community but nothing happens to them.... what about the ones we DON"T know anything about?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

lmao yeah its easy for you to say that when you don't know what i know.

we can pretend that there NO WAY that they abuse the system and get their friends to match make with them at the same time as them (like the people from EU do)

just think, theres some that are top 100 in EU getting caught for this shite by the community but nothing happens to them.... what about the ones we DON"T know anything about?

I know what I know about my datacenter and many times have I even agreed that there are cheaters even on my datacenter and very likely on every other western one.

EDIT: It is "easy" for me to say not only because I'm just as connected to pvp communities as you, but also because I have practical experience having played with and against them.

Im not pretending they don't exist, neither am I pretending the methods used don't exist.

However unlike you, I don't look for the monster in every shadow. I am not the one with the delusional take claiming that top 100 feast players all or at least 95% you mentioned later gamed and cheated the system somehow. If you make such a ridiculous claim based on the things you've heard and seem to trust, then the burden of proof is on you to prove it with concrete evidence.

Again, I agree with cheaters existing, that is undisputed. I do not agree with straight up defamation of a whole subsection of the PvP community who may very well just have a lot of good players based on theory and knowledge of a tool existing.

If we find anything about new ones, we will talk about them when it comes to it. To ostracise top 100 players and challengers as a whole out of uncertainty and what-ifs is insulting at best and downright unhealthy for fostering a better playbase at worst.