how did we at a place where diablo4 is more of an mmo that FF14?

[Jojoya]

There's not being meta sheep and then there's actively sandbagging your party's progress through your job choice because SE needs 6 months to make it viable.

It's rarely one person's less than optimal performance that is causing a static to fail. Not impossible but rare.

If you've got 6 months of gear upgrades under your belts and you're still failing I can guarantee it's not that one individual's choice of job that's the problem.

[Ransu]

how did we at a place where diablo4 is more of an mmo that FF14?

We're not at that place because D4 still very much feels like an ARPG and nothing like an MMO.

And look where that mentality gets us in XIV in 2023. Nowhere. We're dull and spiraling into nothingness with bloated buttons that all feel the same. Congratulations.

WoW has managed to make it work to some degree, and there are MMO-esque ARPGs that are attempting to do it as well. It can be done. Fun should be priority over strict balance.

The day XIV deals with bloat like WoW did is the day I stop playing XIV. Spamming the same 4 buttons repeatedly is not fun. I like button bloat.

Nobody cares about WoW Classic. Come back to 2023.

You make it seem like XIV doesn't suffer from those same lockout issues for raid, while also boasting that every class is perfectly balanced.

Considering the player count of classic keeps out numbering retail I'd say everyone cares about classic.

[Shinkuno]

Considering the player count of classic keeps out numbering retail I'd say everyone cares about classic.

lol, this is classic player copium

[magitekLuna]

We're not at that place because D4 still very much feels like an ARPG and nothing like an MMO.

did you played the game? so far a really good MMO. ARPGMMO but an mmo

[Ransu]

did you played the game? so far a really good MMO. ARPGMMO but an mmo

I did, and its not an MMO.

[Renalt]

This comic remains forever relevant.

Ok that was a great picture. It got a pretty hearty laugh out of me.

[magitekLuna]

I did, and its not an MMO.

lets for a moment forget that they sell it as one. what you think make it not an mmo?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

lets for a moment forget that they sell it as one. what you think make it not an mmo?

I never liked Diablo, I did play some of 2 & 3.
So ill base my thoughts around that specifically......Diablo is not an MMO.
MMO = MASS Multiplayer Online. You can argue that the game being online with Servers could make it an MMO, but I think an MMO is a living Social Space.
So what I mean is, like in traditional MMOS, heck even Destiny, there is a HUB with tons of players around. Or even in the Open World there are other players fighting, crafting, mining, questing ect.

Even Anthem had this, so Anthem is an MMO (If anybody ever wanted to question that)
Now again, I never liked Diablo, I didnt play much of it (i tried) so not playing Diablo IV, I dont know, does it have an active social Player hub, with other players (NOT co-oping with you/in a party) running around and socializing?

[Atelier-Bagur]

lets for a moment forget that they sell it as one. what you think make it not an mmo?

Theyre not selling it as an MMO. In fact people are pointing out that it has MMO features but still lack the qualities to be a full MMO. For starters player interaction is entirely optional, never once does the game force you to group with other players to progress and as much as we like to believe that FFXIV is soloable, its not, you still have interact with players to progress through the game.

[TomsYoungerBro]

Theyre not selling it as an MMO. In fact people are pointing out that it has MMO features but still lack the qualities to be a full MMO. For starters player interaction is entirely optional, never once does the game force you to group with other players to progress and as much as we like to believe that FFXIV is soloable, its not, you still have interact with players to progress through the game.

Hasnt the entire MSQ been getting overhauled so there is duty support (single player) for the only defined required content in the game to progress???? When they finish that project, is ffxiv just not an mmo anymore?