The reason FFXIV is lacking content is because of casualization.

[Raoabolic]

"It used to be worse/more pervasive" isn't a good argument to me.

You can have perfectly meaningful grinds.

I'll take your word on it. I haven't played a second of GW2, admittedly.

Who said worse, there are plenty who enjoy a crazy long grind. Relics were like that in MMOs at one time so it's shocking to many when WoW started to hand out relics for rather easy requirements. Some don't like the term "welfare relic" but it's not like that name came out of nowhere. It's XIV, so I know that there will always be this odd line drawn between easy and very difficult. That said, I seriously do not consider 1500 semicurrent tomestones a meaningful grind. Then again, I like the ARR relic books. Fite me. /box

[EliaStormblade]

Who said worse, there are plenty who enjoy a crazy long grind. Relics were like that in MMOs in one time so it's shocking to many when WoW started to hand out relics for rather easy requirements. Some don't like the term "welfare relic" but it's not like that name came out of nowhere. It's XIV, so I know that there will always be this odd line drawn between easy and very difficult. That said, I seriously do not consider 1500 semicurrent tomestones a meaningful grind. Then again, I like the ARR books. Fite me. /box

Again: you can have a crazy long grind and still have it mean something. If your point of pride is "I did something boring and braindead past the point of reason," then I think that's not really healthy? Just make it engaging, it's not impossible.

[Raoabolic]

Again: you can have a crazy long grind and still have it mean something. If your point of pride is "I did something boring and braindead past the point of reason," then I think that's not really healthy? Just make it engaging, it's not impossible.

See, now that's a silly argument considering we are talking about a video game genre that has roots in long grinds. Also, since we are talking about the relic steps, do you believe that 1500 tomestones is a meaningful grind?

[EliaStormblade]

See, now that's a silly argument considering we are talking about a video game genre that has roots in long grinds. Also, since we are talking about the relic steps, do you believe that 1500 tomestones is a meaningful grind?

I definitely don't recall indicating such anywhere.