As much as I love the achievements...

[Lux_Rayna]

if the luminary costs me twice the amount of time, gil, and synths than it does someone else for the same end result then it is an advantage no matter how you look at it.

Not necessarily...you both start from the same place. If anything, you are the one with the advantage because you have the benefit of experience. You've already done it, so you know what is cheapest to make, what is most cost-effective to synth, and you can probably synth it at least twice as fast as the newb if you are well-geared and use your skills.

I fail to see how your retroactive time/effort somehow gives the other guy an advantage. You ended up putting in more time, but both of you started from the same place... at 0. You can argue the fairness of that all you want, but there's definitely no disadvantage on your part. Starting from 0 you both get to the same place at the same time; you actually will likely get there faster because of your previous experience.


As far as these achievements go, a double-melded tool can own luminary tools outright, and a triple meld is a no-contest at all. Imo if you're already capped you might as well work on melding an HQ double/triple meld tool instead of farming irrelevant nodes thousands of times. Thats just my opinion tho, some ppl just want the tool for the prestige.

[darkstarpoet1]

Not necessarily...you both start from the same place. If anything, you are the one with the advantage because you have the benefit of experience. You've already done it, so you know what is cheapest to make, what is most cost-effective to synth, and you can probably synth it at least twice as fast as the newb if you are well-geared and use your skills.

I fail to see how your retroactive time/effort somehow gives the other guy an advantage. You ended up putting in more time, but both of you started from the same place... at 0. You can argue the fairness of that all you want, but there's definitely no disadvantage on your part. Starting from 0 you both get to the same place at the same time; you actually will likely get there faster because of your previous experience.


As far as these achievements go, a double-melded tool can own luminary tools outright, and a triple meld is a no-contest at all. Imo if you're already capped you might as well work on melding an HQ double/triple meld tool instead of farming irrelevant nodes thousands of times. Thats just my opinion tho, some ppl just want the tool for the prestige.

did things i did in game go towards the luminary tool even though it was before the luminary was put in place? no.

will players starting now do synths that will not count towards their luminary? no

the point is an advantage is one person having to do something another person does not have to do. i leveled my crafts and did not get credit for those towards the luminary. new players will not so it is an advantage. if it wasn't an advantage then everyone that levels the class gets no credit towards the luminary whether it is done before or after the achievement went into the game until they hit rank 50. after rank 50 then the synths will count towards it.

it is an advantage no matter what is said. even if it was 1 synth that i did that didn't count towards the luminary tool and a new player had 0 then that is still an advantage. the advantage is i had to complete 3001 synths instead of 3000.

[Lux_Rayna]

did things i did in game go towards the luminary tool even though it was before the luminary was put in place? no.

will players starting now do synths that will not count towards their luminary? no

the point is an advantage is one person having to do something another person does not have to do.

You're using the wrong word, what you are talking about is fairness. As in it is unfair that you had to do more work to get to the same place as another guy. I get that. What I'm saying is that is not "advantage" or "disadvantage" for the precise reason that both of you start from the same point: 0.

For instance if I instill achievements tomorrow, even though youve been gathering ages, both you and a newb start out on a level playing field. Your counter is 0, and his counter is 0. Thus no one has an advantage, if we assume "experience" is entirely not beneficial.

One person having to do something another person doesn't have to is the definition of unfairness. I agree its unfair, but it doesn't give anyone an advantage. Either way it takes both of you the same amount of time after achievements are put in place, since both of you start at the beginning. Advantage would be you getting progress on your achievements based on what you did beforehand, while the newbs start at 0. At that point you are starting from different places, and you are likely to finish sooner.

it is an advantage no matter what is said. even if it was 1 synth that i did that didn't count towards the luminary tool and a new player had 0 then that is still an advantage. the advantage is i had to complete 3001 synths instead of 3000.

He is not and I'll tell you why. After achievements are put in, you both have to complete 3000 synths. He does not have an advantage over you at all, since that extra work you did was completed before he even started.

[darkstarpoet1]

He is not and I'll tell you why. After achievements are put in, you both have to complete 3000 synths. He does not have an advantage over you at all, since that extra work you did was completed before he even started.

he is and i will tell you why. by the time i get a luminary tool in game, which i am working towards, i will have done number of synths required twice. the synths i completed were completed in final fantasy xiv so it is no sort of an advantage to have the synths completed in this game to be counted towards an achievement in this game. if i had asked for the synths that were done in xi to be counted towards this game then it would be asking for an advantage, but not counting the things that have been done in this game does give another an advantage.

i spent millions in each class leveling the craft. can we all agree with grinding comes costs if you buy your own shards? i spent the gil to level the craft once already. the other person has not spent that gil to level the craft. telling me to do it again and them to do it once puts them at multiple millions of gil in an advantage because it has already been sent once.

nobody is asking for any type of advantage over new people, but they are asking to not be disadvantaged because they have already done the work once. hell i went as far back as saying even if it was only 1/4 credit towards it for people that were 50's already would be fine. it's just a slap in the face for those that have already went through once.