Return old rewards to provide more incentive for veterans to PvP.

[Araxes]

People here confuse Tier rewards with Rank rewards. They gave everyone the TIER rewards, yes, but the Rank rewards wont get released again as was said in a japanese interview with Yoshi P.

Also: How many Times do people want to beat this dead horse? People have been begging for the old Feast Ranked rewards for years and he always said no. Just leave it be man.

Sure, id like to have the hellhound Mounts too, i couldnt get them cause i was in hospital for a long time at the time but when everyone can get them, then they would be completely worthless and i wouldnt use them anyway.

[Imsoangry]

Regardless of how much some people want to defend and justify it (and its mostly people who have some of those top 100 items), old feast rewards are the only things in this game u literally cannot get no more. As a raider in this heavily pve oriented game, I never get anything time exlusive for doing week 1st clears. In fact, everything pve related gets easier over time, even ultimates. Do I care ? hell no. I don't need anything special to validate myself in front of the other people to confirm my skill level.

Current reward system is also garbage and I don't understand why they insist so much on time exclusive nonsense. Maybe because if it wasn't rewards, people wouldn't bother with pvp in this game ? In my opinion, they just follow bad design philosophy. Make the mode fun first. Then people will play it regardless of rewards. PVP team instead just keep pumping new rewards to incentivise people to play, but pvp itself is still a mess with netcode that completely excludes that mode from being called even remotely competetive. They tried to make pvp an esport for quite a bit and we all know how it turned out. It simply doesn't work. It's always been messy, it always had win trading, it always had randomness with who u get in your team, it always had people boosting other for real money. Some could argue that people buy ultimate clears too, but if someone buys TOP weapon, it doesnt take away my TOP weapon that I earned as a result of hours of prog and improvement. Boosters took away spots of some legitimate players just because they were pretty good at the mode. Also alts are worth mentioning. Some were greedy enough that they'd climb to top100 on various datacenters and servers just because they were doing literally nothing else in the game. Ah right, not to mention, feast seasons typically launched around other content release so if u wanted to do that instead, u were shit out of luck I guess.

Why the hell that mode in particular deserved anything that's special and time exlusive is just beyond me. Old stuff should defo still be accessible. Certainly not handed for free like some would prolly want, but accessible like literally everything else in this game.

[Lacksz]

Regardless of how much some people want to defend and justify it (and its mostly people who have some of those top 100 items), old feast rewards are the only things in this game u literally cannot get no more. As a raider in this heavily pve oriented game, I never get anything time exlusive for doing week 1st clears. In fact, everything pve related gets easier over time, even ultimates. Do I care ? hell no. I don't need anything special to validate myself in front of the other people to confirm my skill level.

"As a raider in this heavily pve oriented game, I never get anything time exlusive for doing week 1st clears. In fact, everything pve related gets easier over time, even ultimate."

You cannot compare PvE to PvP. In PvP, you are against other players rather than going against scripted PvE bosses.
In PvE, everyone wins, in PvP, there is a winner & a loser, which is reflected in the rewards. In this case, you are a loser for participating in the Feast and not getting to the top 100, which is fine.

For example, Argentina (Winner) won the last year's World Cup (Season) trophy (Reward) against France (Loser), do you think France would get the 2022 World Cup trophy in 2023 or any year later? No, but they can participate in the next World Cup in 2026 (New Season).

That is why I am more of "bring new rewards" rather than "return old rewards".
I also believe that PvE 1st world clears should get special rewards too because there is a Player vs Player element in it, granted they solve the cheating issues in raiding & PvE in general.

[Imsoangry]

"As a raider in this heavily pve oriented game, I never get anything time exlusive for doing week 1st clears. In fact, everything pve related gets easier over time, even ultimate."

You cannot compare PvE to PvP. In PvP, you are against other players rather than going against scripted PvE bosses.
In PvE, everyone wins, in PvP, there is a winner & a loser, which is reflected in the rewards. In this case, you are a loser for participating in the Feast and not getting to the top 100, which is fine.

For example, Argentina (Winner) won the last year's World Cup (Season) trophy (Reward) against France (Loser), do you think France would get the 2022 World Cup trophy in 2023 or any year later? No, but they can participate in the next World Cup in 2026 (New Season).

That is why I am more of "bring new rewards" rather than "return old rewards".
I also believe that PvE 1st world clears should get special rewards too because there is a Player vs Player element in it, granted they solve the cheating issues in raiding & PvE in general.

Your post not only doesn't make any sense but also contradicts itself. You say in pve everyone wins and there's no player vs player element, but then u say pve world first clears should get special rewards because there is in pvp element in that one. Which one is it then ? As far as I know not everybody wins say the omega protocol ultimate, only few thousands cleared worldwide. How is that everyone wins ? There's certainly people who will try and fail to beat that ultimate, guaranteed 100%. Folowing your twisted logic they're loosers in that case but hey guess what, they can still keep trying and get it in a year or two as it will remain accessible unlike old feast stuff.

You also mention cheating issues in pve. There are well documented, proven and persistant cheating issues for years in pvp too but of course you don't mention those as it doesn't suit your narration. There's been win trading, speed hacking, plugins used to track other people resources, boosters, people climbing on multiple chars for same server and the list goes on.
Then you also bring football into discussion to back up your point of view. In case u didn't know they compete against the very same trophy. As a matter of fact it's just a replica that barely changes. If France doesn't get it in a certain year, they can get it next time if they play better. Same trophy's gonna be accessible, unlike old feast rewards that are gone forever and barely ever seen in the game.

[Nanne]

Feast rewards aren't the only thing that has been removed from the game. There are 1.0 stuff, items that come from things like statue purchases, pre order items, Ishgard restoration titles, past events and their achievements etc

[Lacksz]

Your post not only doesn't make any sense but also contradicts itself. You say in pve everyone wins and there's no player vs player element, but then u say pve world first clears should get special rewards because there is in pvp element in that one. Which one is it then ? As far as I know not everybody wins say the omega protocol ultimate, only few thousands cleared worldwide. How is that everyone wins ? There's certainly people who will try and fail to beat that ultimate, guaranteed 100%. Folowing your twisted logic they're loosers in that case but hey guess what, they can still keep trying and get it in a year or two as it will remain accessible unlike old feast stuff.

You still fail to understand the difference between PvE & PvP. I don't think we can discuss this anymore.

Regarding the cheating issues, you can search my previous posts where I mention that there is a cheating problem in PvP and there is no leaderboard moderation whatsoever, so I don't know what narration you are referring to. But there is more cheating in PvE due to the fact that it is the dominant aspect of this game.

You mention that the World Cup trophies are still accessible, I agree with you, and that is my point, you can participate and play (CC PvP) and WIN in a new season and get rewarded, if you lose then good luck in a new season, if you lose, you do not ask FIFA/SE to give you the winner trophy. *The current Season of CC ends in 6.38*

You also must know that there are different versions of the World Cup trophies such as the Jules Rimet Trophy given to winners from 1930 to 1970 and so on. You can apply that to the different versions of Feast rewards.
You don't see football teams demand FIFA release those old trophies right?

Btw, I joined the game late in Season 20 of Feast, I don't have a single Feast reward because I did not play the game back then.
I say this so you won't think I am a Feast player that is protecting their "very prestigious items".

Leaving all this aside, I genuinely don't think SE will ever re-introduce the old Feast rewards, not because they already said NO, but because I browsed the JP PvP section of this forum and there are a lot of people against releasing them.
Sometimes, you just have to move on.

Man, I wanna play football now for real :d

[Imsoangry]

You still fail to understand the difference between PvE & PvP. I don't think we can discuss this anymore.

Regarding the cheating issues, you can search my previous posts where I mention that there is a cheating problem in PvP and there is no leaderboard moderation whatsoever, so I don't know what narration you are referring to. But there is more cheating in PvE due to the fact that it is the dominant aspect of this game.

You mention that the World Cup trophies are still accessible, I agree with you, and that is my point, you can participate and play (CC PvP) and WIN in a new season and get rewarded, if you lose then good luck in a new season, if you lose, you do not ask FIFA/SE to give you the winner trophy. *The current Season of CC ends in 6.38*

You also must know that there are different versions of the World Cup trophies such as the Jules Rimet Trophy given to winners from 1930 to 1970 and so on. You can apply that to the different versions of Feast rewards.
You don't see football teams demand FIFA release those old trophies right?

Btw, I joined the game late in Season 20 of Feast, I don't have a single Feast reward because I did not play the game back then.
I say this so you won't think I am a Feast player that is protecting their "very prestigious items".

Leaving all this aside, I genuinely don't think SE will ever re-introduce the old Feast rewards, not because they already said NO, but because I browsed the JP PvP section of this forum and there are a lot of people against releasing them.
Sometimes, you just have to move on.

Man, I wanna play football now for real :d

I play this game for over a decade and I think I understand what pvp and pve is pretty well. What I indeed fail to understand is why out of all of the competetive disciplines, you bring football into this discussion.

First of all, you compare real life sport to a video game. I don't care how trophies look exactly, its just a symbolic replica anyway. If you wanna follow that nonsense route though, in football you can at least train and communicate with your teammates and in ffxiv pvp you can't. You literally have to play with what u get and pray for the best and that you can carry enough. You clearly doesn't know as you joined the game recently, but back in a day feast was a crazy unbalanced mess where weight of the game HEAVILY relied on healers. That's why in current iteration everyone heals themselves. It's because sometimes you had to wait 30 minutes + to pop and due to how matchmaking worked, you'd get a low ranked healer vs really good one and lose in less than a minute with 0 chance to do anything about it. There was so little healers, that on certain evenings you'd only see 2-3 queueing. I remember seasons so bad in terms of participation, where 100th place would be platinum with barely over 1,5k points. Why do you think old reward system is gone ? if it was so well crafted why we now have seasons and series ? It's a step into a good direction but also also quite dumb, why on earth they make stuff that later on disappear ? There's literally 0 reason outside of creating that crappy fomo practice and making people play just to make sure they don't miss out on latest rewards. But it's SE and their questionable decisions sometimes. As much as I love this game, there's unfortunately loads of stuff that makes no sense, like unreal trials replaced with newers ones, amount of tokens needed for savage gear in a game with 19 jobs and many more.

I have 0 intention and desire to check your previous posts. I'm rarely here as its a meme place most of the time. I don't bother with ranked for years, it's not worth my time and it's not a content I want to support. What I really dislike is that pvp is only an addition to this game. Since it got released with wolves den (god that was a so bad) it was always more or less a mess. Instead of making it decent (though they prolly can't as this game engine and netcode doesn't allow it) they keep pumping new rewards to incentivise people to play it. In the meantime, raiders got 0 time exclusive rewards. Zero.

I also don't think they'll bring those rewards back - don't get me wrong. Again - it's SE we're talking about. A company that insisted on not resetting CD's on wipe for years as they thought people will abuse it somehow. Company that after so many years still can't fix a housing shortage. Company that's against the plugins, yet take from their solutions and implement them directly to the game.

I moved on long ago. I know I can collect everything in this game outside of ranked feast stuff. It doesn't change the fact that I think it's stupid, just like I disagree with current series bs, where I will get mounts that people who start this game in a year wont be able to get. The only thing that design brings to the game is participation of masses in current non ranked pvp modes. Often being people with 0 clue or intention to learn or open a map/look at the score.

[Parthmakeo]

it's 2022 and at this point who the hell cares about 'exclusivity' or 'Prestige' at all?
We're no longer in the 1990's-2000's era of MMO/online gaming where people marveled at your pixels cause you participated in a tournament and got an exclusive one of a kind rare item coded in to feature your name or whatever. If I want ranked pvp gameplay i'd just go play LOL or DOTA instead, maybe even CS:GO if i want FPS style action.

Even now I am still hoping and praying they return rewards from series malmstones of the past so people can buy the ones they missed out on. I have gotten to all 25 rewards from the Malmstones up to this point and still find it dumb they lock behind past emotes in PVP and now if someone joins the game after this patch is done and Series Malmstone 3 is replaced with 4, they can not get the Linkpearl Emote. An emote which looks like it comes from the MSQ or something given how widely used the Linkpearl is.

FOMO is stupid. FOMO is not a good thing. FOMO kills any sort of enjoyment. Just bring back old rewards and while we're at it, put the damn Collab Rewards on the Store or some other method of obtaining it ingame like hunts or whatever. I'm sure there are people who want that Yo-kai watch Gunblade bad or even the Katana.

[Divinemights]

it's 2022 and at this point who the hell cares about 'exclusivity' or 'Prestige' at all?
We're no longer in the 1990's-2000's era of MMO/online gaming where people marveled at your pixels cause you participated in a tournament and got an exclusive one of a kind rare item coded in to feature your name or whatever. If I want ranked pvp gameplay i'd just go play LOL or DOTA instead, maybe even CS:GO if i want FPS style action.

Even now I am still hoping and praying they return rewards from series malmstones of the past so people can buy the ones they missed out on. I have gotten to all 25 rewards from the Malmstones up to this point and still find it dumb they lock behind past emotes in PVP and now if someone joins the game after this patch is done and Series Malmstone 3 is replaced with 4, they can not get the Linkpearl Emote. An emote which looks like it comes from the MSQ or something given how widely used the Linkpearl is.

FOMO is stupid. FOMO is not a good thing. FOMO kills any sort of enjoyment. Just bring back old rewards and while we're at it, put the damn Collab Rewards on the Store or some other method of obtaining it ingame like hunts or whatever. I'm sure there are people who want that Yo-kai watch Gunblade bad or even the Katana.

Well, pretty much every Asian player care about exclusive or prestige.
Asian cultures typically reward the Strong and Winner and the competition is fierce between Asians in every know field.
Exclusive reward is a trophy for the winner and winner should takes all.
This is not NA culture that reward for participation could understand.
This game is not build based on Western philosophy, so this won't change, or SE is facing a riot from their Asian players.

[Parthmakeo]

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If this still rung true then why is ranked CC so unappealing for even the people who like PVP in the competitive sense? What really is there in Ranked currently that is sought after or anything? It's just going to be the same rewards just with a number change. This isn't exactly about participation at this time but rather how there's NO REASON to even go through ranked even if you want the plates/Title when each season is going to reward the same thing? They moved all that 'Prestige' reward to the Malmstones to incentivize overall PVP participation and guess what? It worked. There's been far more people even attempting or doing PVP + obtaining these rewards than ever before. Truthfully I never had a big huge problem with how wow did arena since season 1: All the armor looks are obtainable (Except later on the elite set for those who made it up ranks) and the only real exclusives for PVP were the mount/trophy rewards for the truly dedicated plus a title unique to the season and maybe a special weapon glow you can unlock.

What harm is there really now to allow people to buy the old PVP rewards at this point in the game's lifecycle? There's nothing really on the vendor for the Trophies that scream 'buy me' even for the super casuals. So far the gear sets are recolors for dyability and the old accessories of the past. Only the new pvp weapons are anything worth it if you are into those style of weapons. I want to spend my trophies on something new but i've bought everything possible on the vendor barring gear sets I own already/don't want and weapons i never will use as a glam. Hell they already made a recolor of the Allagan Node Mount be even easier to obtain than the others by just hitting rank 15 of this Malmstone series 3 reward and i couldn't be happier for people and myself who can't stand fighting against systems to get 200 total wins in Frontlines for one of them.

Video Games as a whole have changed. If someone in Korea wanted a prestige like game they are better off playing games designed around these kind of things in the first place. Stuff like Lineage 2 or Black Desert Online. The fact that the Malmstone is a battle pass already makes me feel uneasy despite how easy it was to get them if you do PVP in a regular pace (Took me 6 days from patch day cause i did some extra wanting the rewards a lot). Yes SE is a Japanese company but people are throwing a riot over a damn Lalafell Chair, outfits that 'offend' culture especially in KOREA WITH A CERTAIN SCHOOL OUTFIT plus other things. People are still saying that CC is inferior to the Feast when i'm of the opinion that The Feast was just bleh as a game mode and I much prefer Objective Based Games like capture the flag or Pushing a cart and if CC had a proper 'group' que and ladder reward separate from the solo rewards it could be a better time