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    If they're going to focus on solo players I wish we would get more solo challenges like the Masked Carnivale for jobs that aren't BLU. Right now there's just what, the deep dungeons that are difficult solo content? Because you can't do the actual hard versions of the Criterion stuff alone. I don't think we need ultimate level solo fights or anything, but just some more solo stuff that takes effort and gives rewards that can't be bought with gil or tomestones. Obviously I would prefer this game to remain as an MMO where you do group content, but harder solo stuff would be nice to have on the side if that's what they're going to be spending all this effort on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angienessyo View Post
    If they're going to focus on solo players I wish we would get more solo challenges like the Masked Carnivale for jobs that aren't BLU. Right now there's just what, the deep dungeons that are difficult solo content? Because you can't do the actual hard versions of the Criterion stuff alone. I don't think we need ultimate level solo fights or anything, but just some more solo stuff that takes effort and gives rewards that can't be bought with gil or tomestones. Obviously I would prefer this game to remain as an MMO where you do group content, but harder solo stuff would be nice to have on the side if that's what they're going to be spending all this effort on.
    The solo duels in bozja exist but in an insanely backwards design decision doing that solo content deprives others of doing it. Imagine locking even a single attempt of a piece of solo content behind a lottery. If I proposed the same thing to be done for blue carnival I would be shown the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    The solo duels in bozja exist but in an insanely backwards design decision doing that solo content deprives others of doing it. Imagine locking even a single attempt of a piece of solo content behind a lottery. If I proposed the same thing to be done for blue carnival I would be shown the door.
    Not really? Since first off, duels occur when players happen to perform expertly on the engagement and when it pops up people need to accept it to continue. Also the fact that duels are very hard if you're not prepared culls out the people whom would want to engage in them anyway. I thought people here wanted more meaningful and engaging content that gave you the feeling of contributing to the world? Finishing a duel gives nearby players a bonus buff to mettle and gives that player who completed the satisfaction of contribution. I thought this is what people would like to see more of in this game, but I GUESS I JUST DONT...KNOW

    I suppose it does suck that some field notes are locked behind them I think? But I have yet to encounter people malding over not being able to participate in a duel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    I thought this is what people would like to see more of in this game, but I GUESS I JUST DONT...KNOW
    Duels are a cool idea, but it's not executed particularly well imho. Regardless of whether you've seen someone be mad about not getting to participate, the fact that it's only ever one person who gets to participate creates an unnecessary social pressure that does make people who would otherwise enjoy them back out instead. I know it did discourage me. Because if I fail, it feels like I deprived someone else of the place where they could've done better. ...I also didn't feel like farming the actions, but that's a whole another topic

    WoW had a similar concept in the Brawler's Guild - you had one on one fight with a boss, and had other people watching on. The crucial difference was, that everyone there has their own progress through the guild, and the only thing you need to do, is to queue up. If you fail there, it's not a big deal, because everyone gets their turn in the ring and their chance to progress. Plus no exclusive action prerequisites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vallerie View Post
    Duels are a cool idea, but it's not executed particularly well imho. Regardless of whether you've seen someone be mad about not getting to participate, the fact that it's only ever one person who gets to participate creates an unnecessary social pressure that does make people who would otherwise enjoy them back out instead. I know it did discourage me. Because if I fail, it feels like I deprived someone else of the place where they could've done better. ...I also didn't feel like farming the actions, but that's a whole another topic

    WoW had a similar concept in the Brawler's Guild - you had one on one fight with a boss, and had other people watching on. The crucial difference was, that everyone there has their own progress through the guild, and the only thing you need to do, is to queue up. If you fail there, it's not a big deal, because everyone gets their turn in the ring and their chance to progress. Plus no exclusive action prerequisites.
    I suppose yeah but from my experience Ive never seen people act vitriolic over the loser of the duel rather they were more sympathetic and commended them for trying their best, since lord knows they could'nt have done it any better. This scenario that you made isnt that often found in this game. I still think its a neat idea since its a super rare thing in this game where you get those players whom can make a name for themselves. And in the MMO space that means a lot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    I suppose yeah but from my experience Ive never seen people act vitriolic over the loser of the duel rather they were more sympathetic and commended them for trying their best, since lord knows they could'nt have done it any better. This scenario that you made isnt that often found in this game. I still think its a neat idea since its a super rare thing in this game where you get those players whom can make a name for themselves. And in the MMO space that means a lot
    I have, but only at launch. When someone failed a duel, even though it was clear that they tried, people would start /yelling really nasty crap at them.

    It stopped soon after, though. But some did it because there was no buff from the win. Others did it because they felt cheated out of the duel.

    Edit: By "it stopped soon after", I mean like two\three weeks in. And it certainly wasn't every instance I went into. But it did happen. And I remember it happened because I wasn't aware of the buff, and I even specifically asked my FC at the time why that was going on. And that's when they said "Because if you win you give people who were watching a buff. So some people probably knew how to beat the boss, didn't go in, and feel like they were robbed".
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    Last edited by Midareyukki; 03-16-2023 at 08:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Not really? Since first off, duels occur when players happen to perform expertly on the engagement and when it pops up people need to accept it to continue. Also the fact that duels are very hard if you're not prepared culls out the people whom would want to engage in them anyway. I thought people here wanted more meaningful and engaging content that gave you the feeling of contributing to the world? Finishing a duel gives nearby players a bonus buff to mettle and gives that player who completed the satisfaction of contribution. I thought this is what people would like to see more of in this game, but I GUESS I JUST DONT...KNOW

    I suppose it does suck that some field notes are locked behind them I think? But I have yet to encounter people malding over not being able to participate in a duel.
    Just to be clear there are no field notes locked exclusively behind duels. Some may be easier to get from the duels then fighting the RNG from bosses in CCL, DR, and Dalriada. I have Al-Ilkli and never did a single duel in my life, Lyon though really refused to drop his second set of notes for me though for a long time from Dalriada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeronia View Post
    Just to be clear there are no field notes locked exclusively behind duels. Some may be easier to get from the duels then fighting the RNG from bosses in CCL, DR, and Dalriada. I have Al-Ilkli and never did a single duel in my life, Lyon though really refused to drop his second set of notes for me though for a long time from Dalriada.
    Ah ok, glad to actually know that. Gives me less of a reason to go for duels then whenever I plan around on getting that Bozjan mount.
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