PLEASE update Trusts

[SapphireWeapon]

You are missing the point. They are intentionally slow. By which manner they achieve being slow is irrelevant.

So why is it okay for the Duty Support to function one way and the Trusts to function another? "Well that's just how it is" isn't a good reason for not changing/fixing something.

I can't imagine how jarring it would be as a new player using Duty Support for ARR and HW and then getting to Shadowbringers and suddenly it sucks to play with the AI when it never did before.

[Saraide]

So why is it okay for the Duty Support to function one way and the Trusts to function another? "Well that's just how it is" isn't a good reason for not changing/fixing something.

I can't imagine how jarring it would be as a new player using Duty Support for ARR and HW and then getting to Shadowbringers and suddenly it sucks to play with the AI when it never did before.

ARR and HW duty supports are also slower than doing those dungeons with actual players. A player going through all of it with duty support will have dungeons that take longer all the way through. It's all listed under duty support now btw. Group up with actual players if you want to go fast.

[SapphireWeapon]

It… really doesn’t matter whether they’re AoEing or not. Trust NPCs damage output behaves like a rubberband, adjusting themselves according to how well you’re performing. They hit harder if you’re playing poorly or afk, but lowers their damage if you’re playing better. This is pretty noticeable in trash pulls where your dps are very likely skyrocketing with that many targets multiplying your total damage output.

That's just not true. Maybe that's true in the new Duty Supports, but it's not true with SHB Trusts.

ARR and HW duty supports are also slower than doing those dungeons with actual players. A player going through all of it with duty support will have dungeons that take longer all the way through. It's all listed under duty support now btw. Group up with actual players if you want to go fast.

I'm not asking for it to be as fast as normal players. I'm not asking for a damage boost. I'm literally only asking for Trust AIs to function like Duty Support.

I have been playing this game for years. I'm not averse to playing with other people lmao

I know that a group of players can breeze through a dungeon in about 13-15 minutes. My average time with the new Duty Supports is 19-23 minutes. SHB Trusts are 28-33 minutes.

I'm asking for the SHB Trusts to be on the same level as the new Duty Supports. That's it. That's all I'm asking for.

[Saraide]

That's just not true. Maybe that's true in the new Duty Supports, but it's not true with SHB Trusts.



I'm not asking for it to be as fast as normal players. I'm not asking for a damage boost. I'm literally only asking for Trust AIs to function like Duty Support.

I have been playing this game for years. I'm not averse to playing with other people lmao

I know that a group of players can breeze through a dungeon in about 13-15 minutes. My average time with the new Duty Supports is 19-23 minutes. SHB Trusts are 28-33 minutes.

I'm asking for the SHB Trusts to be on the same level as the new Duty Supports. That's it. That's all I'm asking for.

ARR and HW dungeons are by themselves shorter than SHB dungeons therefore shb duty support also takes longer than ARR and HW duty support. You are asking for SE to do slight of hand. Them doing AoE or not is completely unrelated to how fast the run is. Like Rein said, their damage adjusts in an attempt to equalize run length.

[SapphireWeapon]

ARR and HW dungeons are by themselves shorter than SHB dungeons therefore shb duty support also takes longer than ARR and HW duty support. You are asking for SE to do slight of hand. Them doing AoE or not is completely unrelated to how fast the run is. Like Rein said, their damage adjusts in an attempt to equalize run length.

That's not true. The later dungeons have three bosses in them, standard. Some ARR/HW dungeons had four. SHB/EW dungeons almost always have 2-3 groups per W2W pull. ARR/HW dungeons could have a hell of a lot more than that -- ARR especially.

ARR/HW dungeons might seem shorter to you because a group of players leveled down can melt things at ridiculous speeds these days, but in terms of the actual content that you need to get through, ARR dungeons in particular were usually way longer than the expansions. So, there's really no excuse for SHB dungeons to take up to ten minutes longer than them if all of the AI characters are meant to be playing at average ilvl.

I don't know why you're trying so hard to fight me on this. If there really was no difference between the performance of the Duty Support and the Trusts, then why would they have bothered to change the AI at all? Wouldn't the new Duty Supports just have lifted all of the framework from Trusts? Wouldn't that have been easier, faster, and more cost effective?

But they didn't do that. They improved the AI so that the dungeons are handled more efficiently. I don't know why it's so unreasonable to you that I would ask for the systems to be standardized across all expansions. To me, it doesn't make sense that the later game content is actually worse than the early game content.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

That's just not true. Maybe that's true in the new Duty Supports, but it's not true with SHB Trusts.

I am in fact was describing the Shadowbringer/Endwalker's Trust NPCs. Even if they do AoE a wall pull; if you are also AoE'ing together with them, their AoEs will be doing pitiful damage to ensure you will always finish in that 28m-33m duration you've noted yourself.

I don't know enough about Duty Supports on ARR/HW dungeons though, as I could only count on one hand the amount of time I actually used them. I would assume they're using similar formulae.

[Shinkuno]

ARR and HW duty supports are also slower than doing those dungeons with actual players. A player going through all of it with duty support will have dungeons that take longer all the way through. It's all listed under duty support now btw. Group up with actual players if you want to go fast.

Eh depends, the arcanist supports are melting mobs, just wall2wall, pray the healer ai isnt dumb and watch packs melt