PLEASE update Trusts

[SapphireWeapon]

Going through alt jobs, I decided to level up DPS classes along with my Trusts in order to get around wait times, and it is agonizing. I don't think I've cleared a single SHB dungeon in under 28 minutes, which is an insanely long amount of time compared to playing with other people.

The reason for this is because the Trust AI only attacks one enemy at a time. Even if I force Thancred to pull multiple groups, it doesn't matter. My DPS partner will still just focus fire one by one. Trust DPS doesn't do a whole lot of damage to begin with, and between their low damage and their one-at-a-time approach, it just slogs on and on and on.

Please just make them AOE trash pulls. Please. For the love of god. I'm suffering.

[Saraide]

This is on purpose to make them weaker than playing with actual players.

[Deceptus]

This is on purpose to make them weaker than playing with actual players.

That moment when real players take longer than the trusts would. . .

[Saraide]

That's not true. The later dungeons have three bosses in them, standard. Some ARR/HW dungeons had four. SHB/EW dungeons almost always have 2-3 groups per W2W pull. ARR/HW dungeons could have a hell of a lot more than that -- ARR especially.

ARR/HW dungeons might seem shorter to you because a group of players leveled down can melt things at ridiculous speeds these days, but in terms of the actual content that you need to get through, ARR dungeons in particular were usually way longer than the expansions. So, there's really no excuse for SHB dungeons to take up to ten minutes longer than them if all of the AI characters are meant to be playing at average ilvl.

Shorter in terms of time spent, not distance walked or bosses fought. Time is the determining factor of how long an encounter is.

You've fallen for SE's slight of hand. NPCs doing AoEs or not is completely irrelevant because their total dps scales up or down depending on how much time SE wants a dungeon with duty support to take.

That moment when real players take longer than the trusts would. . .

True despair.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

This is on purpose to make them weaker than playing with actual players.

By this much though?

They're just way too undertuned.

Squads clear faster than them.

[Saraide]

By this much though?

They're just way too undertuned.

Squads clear faster than them.

Squadrons is an ancient mechanic and has very little relevance to their current design philosophy. You also need to level up squadrons by yourself where as duty support is just there for you.

[Silver-Strider]

By this much though?

They're just way too undertuned.

Squads clear faster than them.

Had a Holmester Switch run that took 40 minutes with actual people.
Trust cleared in 25 minutes tops.

There are people that play that badly.

[Deceptus]

Had a Holmester Switch run that took 40 minutes with actual people.
Trust cleared in 25 minutes tops.

There are people that play that badly.

Especially if you are a healer who is putting out DPS or a BRD/MCH/DNC who is using peloton between pulls to force faster running.

My average runs were generally ~20 min give or take a min or two on either end. And yes, some of my Trusts runs were indeed faster than some of the real players I got put with in the DF.

[Heavenchild]

It's really very slow with the NPCs. But I don't think that they are going to change this. Because for being slow, we have the advantage to get all the loot.

If Trust wouldn't have the disadvantage of beeing slow..., why people should still que with other people? If Trust would be fast, the NPCs do the mechanics correct most of the time and you get all the loot..., then the motivation to que with other people would be very low.

To make Trust slow is maybe the only way to solve this.
But it would be nice, if there would be an opportunity to have stronger Trust buddies when you 1st run a dungeon during the MSQ. : )

[Absurdity]

That's entirely on purpose, Trusts are designed to be worse than even the average player to encourage playing with other people.