Question for the people who don't dislike the 2nd relic step

[Stormpeaks]

Because some people don't like hunts? Because people want to "farm" the tomes in a way that is more agreeable to them? Because not everybody is looking for the most optimal method to completion. I like these steps because I can do basically whatever high level content I want and make passive progress. The point is that it does not require dedicated focus.

That's literally like those people saying that islands are supposed to be done at a very slow pace, it's a pretty ridiculous argument, slowing on purpose to make it last longer does not make it better content

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That's literally like those people saying that islands are supposed to be done at a very slow pace, it's a pretty ridiculous argument, slowing on purpose to make it last longer does not make it better content

So in that case brayflox hm was the epitomy of good content then.

[Xirean]

That's literally like those people saying that islands are supposed to be done at a very slow pace, it's a pretty ridiculous argument, slowing on purpose to make it last longer does not make it better content

You're missing the point entirely then. It's not about extending the content it's about enjoying it in whatever way a person chooses. People don't have to do the most optimal strategy. They can take it slow and there is no penalty. I've been slowly making progress while doing mentor roulette. I don't have to get tomestones at a fast rate. I'm perfectly fine getting them at whatever rate I get them then just buy meteor stones whenever I pop into Radz for other gear. It's very pleasing because I don't have to stop doing what I was already doing.

[Raven2014]

That's literally like those people saying that islands are supposed to be done at a very slow pace, it's a pretty ridiculous argument, slowing on purpose to make it last longer does not make it better content

Uh ... let me guess, you're one of those meta person who believe the only way to play a class is copy-pasted stuffs of the balance discord. And if you don't play your group with a meta comp you're doing it wrong ... ?


Frankly in the pass the only difference is you were restricted to specific type of content in order to generate result, and you're forced into them whether you want or not. But with the 1500 open-ended you can do whatever you want to meet it. For example people who are saying they would prefer to have "forced" you to run x amount of time running certain alliance raid ... well, what's stopping you from telling yourself you only gonna try to farm tome using Alliance raid? And sure, if you just want it to be fast and get it over with ... jump on the train. And you can also get tome doing anything in between those 2 extremes. The choice is yours.


I often wonder why people are against choice so much. But then posts like yours just show the issue is some people find it impossible to follow their own free-will and must always adhere to some kind of trench-standard set by someone else. Just like I have seen someone people absolutely miserable, or at least not playing a job in a way that would be fun for them because they felt compelled following the meta for that extra 1-5%.

just wait till 6.3.5 guys it gets better
just wait till 6.4.5 guys it gets better
just wait till 6.5.5 guys it gets better
just wait till next expansion guys it gets better
just wait till first patch guys it gets better
and the cycle of excuses goes on

Wrong. I have never told now or before it will get better. That's why I tell you to wait till the end. Also, unlike you who seem antagonize every moment of playing the game that you feel to constantly need an excuse for the future. I don't need to make excuse because I'm generally happy with the moments. I look forward to the next patch or next expansion because I'm excited for them, not desperately looking for a life line to hinge on like you seem to do.

[Stormpeaks]

Uh ... let me guess, you're one of those meta person who believe the only way to play a class is copy-pasted stuffs of the balance discord. And if you don't play your group with a meta comp you're doing it wrong ... ?

So what you are saying is that you should just "yolo it" and pick what you want, instead of thinking about your party, hindering the entire party because you decide to underperform ? That's very ridiculous

Wrong. I have never told now or before it will get better. That's why I tell you to wait till the end. Also, unlike you who seem antagonize every moment of playing the game that you feel to constantly need an excuse for the future. I don't need to make excuse because I'm generally happy with the moments.

If you are happy, that's great, some people care about having content to do in between patches, actual current content, not old content, and using "yeah just wait till the end of the expansion to judge" is how WoW failed for many years, getting a little bit on the upside now with DF, but it still failed for many years, the constant argument of "just wait to judge" leads to that.

[Raven2014]

So what you are saying is that you should just "yolo it" and pick what you want, instead of thinking about your party, hindering the entire party because you decide to underperform ? That's very ridiculous

No where as ridiculous as you're attempting to generalize thing to the extreme and putting word in other people mouth.

I said

... extra 1-5%.

So if anyone want to berate me for not running a meta-built and thus missing a couple of % as "being" burden to the party, I'll just tell them to never be in a party with me then. Same goes for anyone who think you either need to run a meta comp or it's bad party. Oh and before you claim something stupid as "but that 2% could be the difference between a clear and enrage!". If a group hit enrage because me missing a couple % from the absolute best, then the problem isn't with me.

If you are happy, that's great, some people care about having content to do in between patches, actual current content, not old content, and using "yeah just wait till the end of the expansion to judge" is how WoW failed for many years, getting a little bit on the upside now with DF, but it still failed for many years, the constant argument of "just wait to judge" leads to that.

That's why I didn't say you need to be happy like I am, if you choose to be a miserable pessimist that's your choice. I'm just pointing out to you the choice of being happy and being unhappy is - indeed - at the end - yours. I personally would never let myself get to your level of perssims, you know why? 'Cause I for sure would disappear long before I reach that point.

I will play the game for as long as it please me, and I support the game for as long as I believe at it future. But I'm not married to it, it's not my job that I have to do to pay bill regardless of my enjoyment. It's a game, and I play because I enjoy it, and I will stop playing the moment I no longer enjoy it. I will never play a "game" just to antagonizing myself like you are.

[Stormpeaks]

That's why I didn't say you need to be happy like I am, if you choose to be a miserable pessimist that's your choice. I'm just pointing out to you the choice of being happy and being unhappy is - indeed - at the end - yours. I personally would never let myself get to your level of perssims, you know why? 'Cause I for sure would disappear long before I reach that point.

Thankfully for me, housing saves this game for me, else I would stop playing yes, because the rest of the "content" leaves a lot to be desired, and is almost non existant. Long lasting content at least.

[Jojoya]

Thankfully for me, housing saves this game for me, else I would stop playing yes, because the rest of the "content" leaves a lot to be desired, and is almost non existant. Long lasting content at least.

Except it doesn't sound like a thankfully for you, it sounds like a burden tying you to something that otherwise makes you miserable.

The arguments in favor of this using 'flavor' as a reason are some of the worst arguments I have ever seen.
If the lack of specific tasks vs tomes is just "flavor", then you can apply that logic to every other content in the game. Jobs, dungeons, gear, FATEs, bosses, enemies, sidequests. Let's reduce everything to what objectively sets them apart... which is not much. I'm sure that wouldn't make the experience more shallow at all!

You're starting to get the idea. Games and content within them are simply different flavors.

It's not that different than those who like vanilla ice cream and so pick vanilla while others like chocolate ice cream so they pick chocolate.

In the end, we're playing games to have fun. The pixel rewards earned with them don't mean that much in the end because we can't take those pixel rewards and turn them into useful things for real life. The enjoyment and stress relief we get from playing - there's the real reward.

[Raven2014]

Thankfully for me, housing saves this game for me, else I would stop playing yes, because the rest of the "content" leaves a lot to be desired, and is almost non existant. Long lasting content at least.

Given what other thing you have been typing, this sounds more like a curse to me tbh, not sure what fortunate about that. This is why I said earlier if FFXIV were a person instead of a game, some relationship on display here would straight up mirror a domestic abusive one. Two people who can no longer be happy around each others but still can't break up because some physical/materialistic binding, so the only thing they can do is abuse each others every day.