Well I think we at a new low .

[R041]

No, I'm concerned that ya'll obsess over losing your house because you don't want to take a break, and then you make excuses for not even taking a single month off to do just that because you'd rather take multiple months off. A month off is still a month off man. Everybody needs a break, but stop making excuses for why you can't have one. Do some self-care, take that break if you want it, stop making excuses and do it.

I can take a break, but you're unwilling to comprehend what that means for the people that actually enjoy that part of the game. I'm also not obsessed, it just needs to be said that we need to keep a sub to retain that portion of the game for us. Fortunately I have the ability to retain a sub and I buy annual. But that's just not so easy for other people.

I'm glad that if you enjoy MSQ, you can leave and then come back to do MSQ. I don't have that luxury with the parts of the game I enjoy, and I wish it were as easy.

Oh you're homeless? Why don't you just buy a home?

Same dumb argument.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

And if it is my game? It's also a lot of people's end-game in an MMO. You know, the social part of the MMORPG.

What's wrong with that? The idea that I want to keep MY end-game, while also taking a break. Requires I stay subbed.

Why do I need to be attacked over my idea of an end-game? I'm not attacking you or the things you enjoy.

Your not being attacked (at least not by me) so stop it. LoL
All I said was, its weird to feel Shackled to a Game you arnt playing, and to pay for a Game you arnt enjoying, all for a House.
And remember, I was talking to @Shinkuno when I said this. I didnt even direct it at you.
Also, if you missed it or chose to ignore it, I agree that the Housing system is pretty Garbage.

[RyuDragnier]

...no they don't.

If anything, I'm wondering who'd burst into flames the fastest if we're suddenly being so un-chill about it.

Plus, the post you were quoting was comparing the perceived value between a title and losing a house to the people who do care about their plots. Regardless of whether you believe those things have value or not, no one clutched pearls xD

And... Yeah, yours holds somewhat true if it's just "taking a break", but what if the break happens to be over 45 days? Again, why would we have to pay to keep a house, it's silly. The problem is the system, not the players. Nothing gets taken out if you don't resub for some time, why would this be? Because the system sucks? Then fix it xD
And then you have reasons to be away from the game than just a break. Health, for example.

Midareyukki, this is one thing I'm never going to budge on because we both know SE isn't going to get a proper system for housing because they would have already done so if they were planning to (Island Sanctuary SHOULD have been it). Because we're stuck with the system as is, people need to abuse what they know about it so they CAN take breaks and still keep the house. For god's sake man, you've already seen them cut corners with Hrothgar, you already know they ain't gonna give us a proper housing system.

[R041]

Your not being attacked (at least not by me) so stop it. LoL
All I said was, its weird to feel Shackled to a Game you arnt playing, and to pay for a Game you arnt enjoying, all for a House.
And remember, I was talking to @Shinkuno when I said this. I didnt even direct it at you.
Also, if you missed it or chose to ignore it, I agree that the Housing system is pretty Garbage.

I forgive you. And yeah it is weird to feel shackled to something like that. But unfortunately that's the game to a lot of people even if you or others may not feel that way.

Just as I don't do Ultimates, I wouldn't say "Yeah but only 1% of people do Ultimates, so who cares if they stop making it".

I like that people like XIV and the different ways people play it. I'm not going around attacking anyone's likes. But it definitely feels like some people are taking it personally for me saying some things just straight up suck as they currently are and need to get better. We need to voice opinions or nothing will be done.

If people stop to think for a minute - We're not telling people they can't enjoy shit. We're not saying that you shouldn't get what you like. We're saying what we're not getting is all. Not what you did get.

[Midareyukki]

Midareyukki, this is one thing I'm never going to budge on because we both know SE isn't going to get a proper system for housing because they would have already done so if they were planning to (Island Sanctuary SHOULD have been it). Because we're stuck with the system as is, people need to abuse what they know about it so they CAN take breaks and still keep the house. For god's sake man, you've already seen them cut corners with Hrothgar, you already know they ain't gonna give us a proper housing system.

Okay Sure. I can get on board with that. Hell, I don't have any hope on SE to do anything right anymore, but... who knows, a broken clock is right twice a day as they say, so eh.
Who knows. Some features got added into the game after popular demand, after all.

Plus, I'm speaking from my own experience and opinion here. So it's naturally biased. For ME, the restriction really does suck, and they should remove it. But at the same time, I understand there's no better alternative. People abuse the system because the system is abuseable. Had they made it be like Moghouse or Island Sanctuary a lot sooner, things would be fine. It'd be one house per player, no questions asked. What we got is this plot system, which is inherently abuseable and hard to control as it stands.

And unlike so many players, I actually do make regular use of my house. Sometimes I make stuff for linkshells with it, so it's open to the community at those times. I'd kinda rather not see it go to waste. I do put in value in it, and getting it back would really, really suck. It's not even just "one of the few things keeping me in this game", because there's other stuff for sure. But the blow I'd personally feel would honestly make me not want to pick up FF14 again. That's not me clutching pearls or feeling like everything is lost, but it'd definitely be a major bummer and it'd be the straw that'd break the camel's back. Simply because of all the bull I keep seeing the game go through. Hrothgars, for example, as you've said. So yes, I do put in some value into the game. Is it warranted? Probably not! But hey, it's there, judge it as you will. But that alone isn't the problem I have.

Currently I'm not playing the game; I can access it, but I have a problem with my hand and I can't play effectively. FF14 is just pretty glamour and a chatbox, not because I'm done with the game, but because I physically can't play it |D
Holding a mouse is not ideal, and I don't have a controller. Don't even think a controller would work either. I can just write. With one hand.
And I kinda would like to have time to recover. It feels really bad feeling like I need to pay a sub when I can't play the game just for a house. Sure it's 45 days, but idk when this will be better by then. It'd be 30 more days that I probably wouldn't be able to play. And to me that kinda sucks.

But that's my perspective on it. I just don't think explaining how the impact I'd feel for losing a house and the value I'd lose for losing a Medium plot means I'm "clutching pearls" xD It's not the same thing. It does feel like losing a Necromancer title. I can get it back I guess? Eventually, but I'd spend a lot of time getting it back, and idk if I'd even be able to. It's luck-based now, but I've played enough gachas to know my luck doesn't exist xD

Oh you're homeless? Why don't you just buy a home?

Same dumb argument.

Okay, now I don't think this is a good comparison...

All I said was, its weird to feel Shackled to a Game you arnt playing, and to pay for a Game you arnt enjoying, all for a House.

Yeah this is what I was getting at with my other post.

I wasn't attacking you either. I don't even think I was being aggressive? xD Just that from the perspective of someone who does feel like they have to go through this just to keep their house, if you do put value in it, it does feel like an undeserved stepback. Like you actively need to show interest in the game when what you want is to take a break longer than 45 days. Again: you're right, it isn't healthy. But that's not just a player problem, that's a Square Enix-driven problem.

[R041]

Okay, now I don't think this is a good comparison...

I mean it's not on the same exact level. But it's telling someone to do the impossible. Like unsubbing for 4mo when you have a Gilgamesh Large. lol

[Aiyakiu]

i don't want to sound rude and don't take it the wrong way but if in 3 years you did not do all there is to do (out side the most hard content) you just don't play the game.

I play the game 2-3 hours a day, which is all I can play, as a mom with a full time job. If my kiddo goes to school and I am home from work, I legit play all day.
I still have hardly scratched the surface of Eureka. I'm only 450-ish duties into mentor roulette. I still haven't done the last two extremes. I have maxed all battle classes and doh/dol, but I still have gear to make my retainers and I could always play the marketboard some more. I've never done HoH and I've only gotten a third of the way through PotD. I'm sure there's plenty more I'm not thinking of.

[Themarvin]

I would like more RNG things like deep dungeon, but not exactly the same as deep dungeon; doesn't need to be so masochistic that one mistake erases 6 hours of progress. Randomised stuff is great for live service games, lasts far longer than linear scripted stuff that is the same every run.

Deep Dungeons is not Masochistic if you ask me, do one bad mistake and toasted.. people are craving for this content and also with the new one beyond floor 30 is not built for casuals like that, it requires an effort and you only got 1 life to do it in in a figure of speech, you start over if you lose at floor 60 boss or mobs or whatever, which is fine.

There is a reason to that various things to do in this game has ONLY been done by a few.

[Raskbuck]

Then I'll be honest, if I had the ability to remove your house from you right now while also refunding all the gil you spent, I would. Because if you're forcing yourself to play the game over a simple house, you have serious problems. If you want to take a break, then take a break, lose your house, why should it matter to you when you want nothing to do with the game until the next big patch? I really don't care about you losing your house, because if you're making yourself miserable, then remove what is making you miserable instead of wallowing in your sorrow. But no, we both know you won't do that, you'd rather blame SE then actually do something that you feel would be good for you, and that's taking a break. The only one keeping that house as a shackle is you. I bet you don't even use that house all that often.

Is it really that unreasonable to expect a better product in exchange of the money we are paying?

While I understand the point you are trying to get across, a lot of us have spent a lot of time obtaining, decorating and maintaining our house. Expecting people to just delete and invalidate all that work because we are discontent with the current design philosophy seems extremely unfair.

Personally, I feel beholden to maintain my subscription for my house, because I've spent money in some Mog Station decorations; as well as fundraising for a whole year with my friends to buy our large FC one. Every single one of us quit because of the content drought, and I'm keeping everything afloat presumably until 7.0. Do you really expect us to throw everything away, because we're discontent with the current design philosophy? Do I have to remind you that this content drought wasn't always there?

It's valid for people to voice their complaints, because most of them come from wanting to see improvements on a game they love. I personally don't criticize the game out of spite or malice. I just want it to do better, because I consider it my main MMO in the limited selection of what we have.

[DPZ2]

Is it really that unreasonable to expect a better product in exchange of the money we are paying?

I depends on what you mean by "better product".

So far, you've been exchanging money for what is currently available. Why would you think that will change?

Heck, even Blizzard appears to have upped their game with their current expansion, after years of declining subscriptions. The relevant part of that sentence is years of declining subscriptions.