1 House 1 FC per DC Only

[casi2161]

I come from SWTOR, and our houses are instanced, but you can access them if you want to visit from a board that lists them, and everyone can get the housing. We have 9 or 10 (can't remember offhand) and you can own each one.

[SweetEquity]

And they are horrid for decorating.

[Khryseis_Astra]

I come from SWTOR, and our houses are instanced, but you can access them if you want to visit from a board that lists them, and everyone can get the housing. We have 9 or 10 (can't remember offhand) and you can own each one.

Yeah and I think we could easily do something like that in XIV, only having things work the way they do in the wards houses. Since there’s a bit less customization in SWTOR iirc, we probably wouldn’t be able to have 10. lol but we could easily have an instanced plot (indoor and outdoor with the background scenery) with the same functionality of ward housing, to deal with the lack of ward housing supply. Just needs to be taken seriously enough for them to work on it. If everyone can have their dream house, it doesn’t matter who’s hoarding the ward houses anymore.

[casi2161]

I agree you do not have free form decorating, which I have been used to since I played SWG.

[casi2161]

Yeah and I think we could easily do something like that in XIV, only having things work the way they do in the wards houses. Since there’s a bit less customization in SWTOR iirc, we probably wouldn’t be able to have 10. lol but we could easily have an instanced plot (indoor and outdoor with the background scenery) with the same functionality of ward housing, to deal with the lack of ward housing supply. Just needs to be taken seriously enough for them to work on it. If everyone can have their dream house, it doesn’t matter who’s hoarding the ward houses anymore.

Yea, SWTOR decorating has a lot to be desired. I was used to free form decorating (SWG player) and I complained and complained about the way they were wanting to do the decorating (which they did anyways). I have had to get creative, which is not always easy to do with the way it is on SWOR. 10 would probably be a bit much (I have those in SWTOR, but most are still waiting to be decorated because I am picky about my decorating).

[Themarvin]

Yea, SWTOR decorating has a lot to be desired. I was used to free form decorating (SWG player) and I complained and complained about the way they were wanting to do the decorating (which they did anyways). I have had to get creative, which is not always easy to do with the way it is on SWOR. 10 would probably be a bit much (I have those in SWTOR, but most are still waiting to be decorated because I am picky about my decorating).

if you came from SWG, then I do not know why you liked the SWTOR way, played the same games here, and honestly instanced... could only invite a select few people in swtor... you could not free form anything... all was locked into sockets to place an item at.

FFXIV has a LITTLE bit of SWG.... and more of SWTOR in it... SWG system was superiour.. especially if you played to the end... you also rotate paintings and anything in any angle in open 3D space, which is impossible in FFXIV and really limits the gameplay in dekadent ways.

You can still play SWG there is alot of SWGEMU's out there today and even some rather well running that does not reset everything once in a few months.

[CatStarwind]

Why do you insist on focusing on it "This implied that there was no explicit mention of housing. Likewise, your examples do not explicitly mention raiding nor furniture placement. Again this is your argument here, not mine." this? No raiding isn't mentioned in the ToS but they weren't in trouble for raiding.

Again, that is not my focus at all. Ask ChooChooTraaaaaaaaain.

They did not get into trouble because they were raiding or participating in raid content. They were using 3rd party tools to assist them in raiding content. That's the violation listed in the ToS.

I'm not exactly sure why you think this is some sort of gotcha or somehow supports your argument, thin as it is. It really does look like you either don't understand the ToS or you're deliberately being disingenuous about it here.

I absolutely agree, it's simply a violation listed in the ToS. Just because the ToS doesn't mention cheating in high-end raiding specifically doesn't mean it isn't a violation. I don't think it's either a gotcha or something that supports my arguement. This is something ChooChooTraaaaaaaaain invented for whatever reason. Your questions are better served directed at them.

It appears your basic comprehension is much lower than I thought. I will try again with an explanation for a lower age level.


Please, take a seat.

Classy.

Anyway, you're retreading your own invented argument here. Again let me remind you that you said:

However, notice that none of the 8 subsections include housing.

Which, again, none of your scenario uses the relevant verbiage directly from the TOS either. The closest thing to a point you have is this one:

WHAT:
Another player has reported to a GM that this user is in possession of more plots than the technical limit of one FC and one personal house per character per world.

WHAT IS THE VIOLATION:
None.

WHY:
Because no known violation performed.[/COLOR]

The adorable circular logic aside, this is what I mentioned previously in regards to putting forth a genuine argument. Even within these 3 short lines you both acknowledge and dismiss that an exploit occurred. Schrödinger exploit aside, I would rather argue that, using your verbiage, it is a "legal" limit; that being one FC plot per world per service account as noted being a requirement. The technical limitation is absent, due to it causing wider damage to the fragile FC codebase, and was withdrawn.

Any questions?

Take your pick from the dozens of mine you've ignored thus far.

Kinda like you necroing threads after your posts were either deleted or locked?

As far as I am aware it isn't against the rules; on the contrary, it seems relatively common to do so.

Yeah and I think we could easily do something like that in XIV, only having things work the way they do in the wards houses.

I've always been a proponent of expanding Apartments. At the very least they could do with a balcony ala PSO2 style.

[Nepentha]

Again, that is not my focus at all. Ask ChooChooTraaaaaaaaain.



I absolutely agree, it's simply a violation listed in the ToS. Just because the ToS doesn't mention cheating in high-end raiding specifically doesn't mean it isn't a violation. I don't think it's either a gotcha or something that supports my arguement. This is something ChooChooTraaaaaaaaain invented for whatever reason. Your questions are better served directed at them.

That's not what they said at all. Everyone else perfectly comprehends their explanations. Except you, who continues to dig heels in.

As far as I am aware it isn't against the rules; on the contrary, it seems relatively common to do so.

It just shows that you aren't as willing to accept judgement as you claim. 2 threads deleted. 1 locked. So instead of making more, you necro old ones.

[CatStarwind]

That's not what they said at all. Everyone else perfectly comprehends their explanations. Except you, who continues to dig heels in.

However, notice that none of the 8 subsections include housing.

This is what they said. Not that "none of the subsections concern exploiting loopholes" or even denial that such loopholes can be considered exploits. Simply that the TOS doesn't literally include "housing".

It just shows that you aren't as willing to accept judgement as you claim. 2 threads deleted. 1 locked. So instead of making more, you necro old ones.

Two threads deleted? One was certainly locked and another deleted, but what is the mystery third thread that was also deleted? And why would I rehash points that others have made more eloquently than I did? I made the thread I wished to make and it reached its intended conclusion. I was guided to other threads of relevance and found them to be fascinating enough to be worth a second look for others. Given that they received as many posts as they did previously it would seem I was correct in that assessment.

[Jojoya]

And they are horrid for decorating.

Which is specific to the MMOs that use the hook system for their housing, which FFXIV doesn't.

ESO, RIFT and formerly Wildstar didn't use the hook system but have/had solid instanced housing systems so players didn't have a problem getting a house and they had a lot of customization freedom that we lack here due to their controls and options. ESO and RIFT tend to get marked down solely on art aesthetic. The cash shop monetization was generally only a problem if you were trying to purchase above and beyond the access included in the base game.