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    GeminiReed's Avatar
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    Alys Isshu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    But that doesn't answer why they didn't address the housing situation more effectively even before the semi-conductor shortage started.
    This is a bit more speculative. I think they didn't believe it was actually a systemic problem until well into Shadowbringers. There were also some budgetary shenanigans during ShB development.

    If they know the server code is inefficient, why would they double down on a system that only magnifies that inefficiency instead of moving toward a new system without those problems?
    Probably had to prove to their bosses that a supply issue really existed, how bad it was, and that the current system couldn't handle it without a massive hardware investment. Keep in mind that all worlds have an identical configuration. The amount of wards needed to meet the demand on the largest worlds would go to waste on the smallest. If nothing else a more flexible way to allocate plots would be needed to keep their costs in line.

    Aside: I don't believe the intention of the lottery was to fix housing supply. I think it was meant as a measure to cut down on auto-clickers and RMT primarily and address complaints about how unhealthy placard camping was as a distant 2nd. The irony of the lottery is that it gives the players the ability to collect much finer-grained demand statistics.

    Adding a new housing system is a multi-expansion project and as such that makes it very expensive. If that work helps improve the instancing infrastructure I think it would actually help reduce the amount of server resources they need to dedicate to each world. Trading short-term costs for long term savings is a great argument when it comes down to hammering out budgets. Even better if you can spin that work as a new feature...

    If instance server capacity is the problem, then Island Sanctuary should only be making things worse because it's now going to be every single character (not just player) with their own instance. It's not going to be a solution for the house problem because it doesn't address the reasons why most players want a house in the first place.
    The hope is that IS comes with a better way to manage population scaling. IMO it would be pointless to develop the feature on the current architecture. I may have a bit more faith in Square's abilities here than is healthy but so far XIV's team has exceeded my expectations for a game developer.

    If I had to fault anything I think they keep their plans way to close to the vest than they should be. Let the whiners whine, they'll never be happy.

    People keep talking about not being able to get into houses at the start of Endwalker (can't speak to that myself, I had zero problems getting into my house and apartments) but that was an isolated incident. Every time there's been a problem with accessing instances (Raubahn EX), SE has moved quickly to fix the issue. If it was truly a server capacity issue instead of a hiccup in code or an optimization problem, it would take weeks for the access to get fixed instead of hours (even Raubahn EX was fixed in less than 2 days).
    Seen it a few times during the first (and maybe second) lottery results period when tons of people were decorating their new space. That was always going to be temporary. Now that wards are back to being ghost towns the resource allocation can handle it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    Would be good to plug that hole for good, since we got the new servers opening up for their wards soon, so it can't be exploited, don't you think so?
    I don’t think there is going to be that much of that from what I saw in the past. I think it will be a small minority even considering that. I believe I've seen like 2 people voice this on Reddit since we learned about the new servers, which I called out as being an asshole move, cause I think it is.

    Still don't fault anyone for going out of their way though as it is allowed. That being said, it could be more people but we'd just speculating without facts so it's just a waste of time.

    It would be more likely for people to transfer and get their house rather than making alts and get a house.
    When we saw Twintania open up, we heard a similar thing but the wards remained empty for months after months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea_ View Post
    I don’t think there is going to be that much of that from what I saw in the past. I think it will be a small minority even considering that. I believe I've seen like 2 people voice this on Reddit since we learned about the new servers, which I called out as being an asshole move, cause I think it is.

    Still don't fault anyone for going out of their way though as it is allowed. That being said, it could be more people but we'd just speculating without facts so it's just a waste of time.

    It would be more likely for people to transfer and get their house rather than making alts and get a house.
    When we saw Twintania open up, we heard a similar thing but the wards remained empty for months after months.
    It is not popular thought and idea among multiple house owners yes, you stand correct in that.

    And also it is an issue, I know quite a few that will exploit the feature already and already has been doing so with the new ward we just got, so yes there is a problem, it may not hurt now, but in 6 months when people again complain about multiple houses on their new server being owned by people who is having mains on their own, is an entire other side story, whether you like it or not, something must be done.

    Yoshi P. has on multiple occations halfways been keeling over everytime in public when asking about housing and new housing areas, plugging the problems for good, would make it easier to get the next step and make more houses free to the crowd, and even by the removal of grandfathering... there will be a Rama Scream among those few you claim who has doen so and is affected by it, but it would be a minor issue if so and also put these people on the same line of everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    removal of grandfathering
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    It is not popular thought and idea among multiple house owners yes, you stand correct in that.

    And also it is an issue, I know quite a few that will exploit the feature already and already has been doing so with the new ward we just got, so yes there is a problem, it may not hurt now, but in 6 months when people again complain about multiple houses on their new server being owned by people who is having mains on their own, is an entire other side story, whether you like it or not, something must be done.

    Yoshi P. has on multiple occations halfways been keeling over everytime in public when asking about housing and new housing areas, plugging the problems for good, would make it easier to get the next step and make more houses free to the crowd, and even by the removal of grandfathering... there will be a Rama Scream among those few you claim who has doen so and is affected by it, but it would be a minor issue if so and also put these people on the same line of everyone else.
    Every time some self-proclaim genius making an idea that they think themselves is smart and brilliant always turned situation from bad to worst.
    Take a chill pill and go out side to walk the dog
    SE is not going to do this nor touch grandfathered houses
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    The problem is not the FC having multiple houses. The problem is the way housing is done in the game.

    If they can do instanced apartments, they can do instanced housing. Just change the mesh from a box to an outside property. And activate them only when there is someone inside the property. Someone want to visit you, is as simple as Go to X home. No need to go to a ward and move around finding the place.

    My guess they don't do it for fear of breaking things. That's what open beta servers are for. To test things until they are right for the production server.
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    Still quite a few problems going on, and yes I know multiple people who want to exploit the new servers with getting more... and if I know a few... uh since I don't know that many people, then I can only see problems ahead, like it or not.

    We are going to see the next generations of Ship/Submercible farms, which you in ways easy enough can compare to NFT mining farms today in a figure of speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    We are going to see the next generations of Ship/Submercible farms, which you in ways easy enough can compare to NFT mining farms today in a figure of speech.
    Sounds like jealousy that you didnt took the opportunity to do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yodada View Post
    Sounds like jealousy that you didnt took the opportunity to do the same.
    That is a weak statement, that has nothing to do with the actual problem, and if you must know I got 4 ships and 4 subs in my FC so I know well what it all is about, but the entire thread is about that hording houses on other servers which create a problem.
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    The required rules for FC House purchase state you do not have a character on the same World on the same service account that purchased and maintains a free company plot. So yes, it does break the rules; unless done so with multiple service accounts or across different worlds, like I said.
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