Question for the people who don't dislike the 2nd relic step

[TomsYoungerBro]

I read this a few times and I can't comprehend how you put that answer into the quote you're responding to, unless you have an extreme amount of reach.

Gemina's logic: "If the relic step isn't BiS, then it should not require any effort" aka Tome step

Every step of the relic isn't BiS EXCEPT the last step. So basically in their opinion, every step of the relic should be tome until the very last one where we need to add some sort of grind because "Oh boy!! Now its BiS!"...

Like every step of the relic isn't somehow a progression towards that final step XD, but i've already explained that

[Gemina]

Hm? So you want the relic steps to be Tome Tome Tome Tome Tome Tome Tome Tome Tome then lastly an obsurd grind since its finally BiS?

I never mentioned anything about what I wanted. So stop putting words in my mouth. What I did say is that mindlessly grinding old content to obtain an inferior weapon is a complete and utter waste of the limited time I have to play the game, and the reasoning behind anyone who does prefer to do that is beyond my level of understanding.

[Lufir]

I loved the Bozja and Eureka zones, so I miss that relic method the most. I guess I'm more on the fence with this expansion's method. Something unique is always preferred. I just don't want to run an old trial or 8-man raid countless times for light farming.

[Winterfang]

What I did say is that mindlessly grinding old content to obtain an inferior weapon is a complete and utter waste of the limited time I have to play the game.

Relic weapons will end being the best thing to have at the end of the expansion and the game already caters to that ideology. Pop on over to the nearby Marketboard where players can find inferior Weapons AND gear that is still acceptable for use in current content easy peasy without wasting any time at all.

I'm personally hoping that they return to a Eureka style of obtaining Relics. Give alternatives to some of the steps like in ShB Relics, and not only will people do the least resistant path that'll also allow some cheesing methods here and there on top of it, but even then people will still complain about it at the expense of content longevity.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Its actually shocking to read some very logical and level-headed responses here.

1)) Its only step 2...why people had this grand idea they'd have alot of busy work to do for the 2nd step is kinda weird, and funny.
2)) The lower barrier of entry; especially at the start is a good thing, its a better use of most peoples time for it to be simple and easy, and it allows more people to accomplish the task and not get burned out as quickly. Plus as a few people said: it gives more reason to run roulette's, and give more use and relevance out of these tomestones.
This big ol grind people are clamoring for usually comes later. The real question adn thing to worry about, is will it even be a FUN grind. Because simply having a TON of Busy work, doesnt = Fun/Worth your time. Especially considering we dont know how the weapon will look at the end. (Plus it becomes irrelevant after 5-6 levels next expansion)
If I was forced into these big ol Grinds just for something not even worth it...Id be more annoyed then having a Content lul.

I loved the Bozja and Eureka zones, so I miss that relic method the most. I guess I'm more on the fence with this expansion's method. Something unique is always preferred. I just don't want to run an old trial or 8-man raid countless times for light farming.

The problem I see if they made another Zone for the Relic...that would actually be a detriment.
Doing a Zone 3 expansions back to back would lead to burnout from both devs AND players.
Im one of the few that are happy we arnt doing a Gindy Zone 3 times in a row, and this time its more casual and simple. (So far at least)
We can and should have another 1 in the future, but let it get an expansion or 2 to rest, instead of ALWAYS doing it back to back.

[Noox-115]

For the weapon itself for the jobs that I main I am satisfied.

However, I don't like that it's about Manderville at all like I know people will say skip the cutscene and I do but I still don't like the idea and I also don't like the 1500 tomes step for the second time it's just not satisfying and everyone can get this easily if they have the patience to endure all the Manderville quest line (I didn't my wife did it for me thank god <3) and I mean yeah it's cool that they do but like we are at Endwalker now im not asking for something like Bozja even tho for me it was awesome maybe something in between so it can be cool for everyone not too hsrd to grind but not as easy this "1500 tomes step 2"

[Avoidy]

Honestly the accessibility is a pro in this case. The biggest loss of accessibility is the entire Manderville story and I already know people who say that is too much. The grind for this relic is front loaded especially if you don't like Manderville.

I think this is the biggest tragedy in the whole relic weapon setup this time around. Personally, I put hildibrand quests off for years. Everyone always told me they were good, but I was just never in the mood to do what I perceived as a bunch of unvoiced fetch quests leading up to maybe a good joke here or there. So I avoided it, until one day I was supremely bored with the same. On that day, I sat down and allocated time and patience to do the quests because I felt like doing it. And since I felt like doing it, I didn't rush it. There was no reward at the end of the tunnel. I just did it for its own sake. And I really really enjoyed it because I wasn't rushing it or doing it with the end goal in mind.

LOTS of people I know are rushing this story and skipping all the cutscenes and basically depriving themselves of something pretty neat that they might have discovered later on their own if they'd been given the realistic option. All because now there's a relic attached to it. I think that's a really sad outcome.

[Gemina]

Relic weapons will end being the best thing to have at the end of the expansion and the game already caters to that ideology.

Again, this thread pertains to the second step. I could not care less about where the weapon ends up because we're not there yet. This argument has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the current topic.

Pop on over to the nearby Marketboard where players can find inferior Weapons AND gear that is still acceptable for use in current content easy peasy without wasting any time at all.

Now you're understanding where I am coming from.

[Rolder50]

At the end of the day, the only thing that gave the relic any real value in the past was that it was behind a crazy grind. Sure it might be bis for half a patch but that's about it, and thats normally at the end of the expansion when it doesn't matter.

If you make it as easy as handing in 1500 tomestones then the whole thing just feels pointless.

[Deceptus]

It gives me a reason to actually run the roulettes.

~700 tomes a day or so.

What I'm now worried about is the next few stages are going to be b@ll busting brutal and late in the expansion lifecycle.

If CBU3 is going to make heavy grinds, they should be early so they can be spread out, not put at the end where the stress is higher to complete before the expansion ends.