Question for the people who don't dislike the 2nd relic step

[Saraide]

Relics have always been boring, they are designed to be. This is just old school mmo design and it sucks. I'm glad everytime a boring grind gets reduced and replaced with just do whatever content you like.

[VeyaAkemi]

Why?

I care about results the most, so whatever makes the murderstick in my hand glow works for me, be it 1500 tomestones, or 100 HW FATEs, or whatever else.

[drtasteyummy]

Are we gonna ignore the elephant in the room that widespread access to something devalues its worth in a world where everyone strives to be as unique as possible?

[Vukimukinukiduki]

Completing Manderville questline is challenging enough.

[MonteCristo]

Completing Manderville questline is challenging enough.

For sanity ...agreed

[Eraden]

For sanity ...agreed

But, but........Mao LIKES Hildebrand quests! Mao wants MORE!

[Raoabolic]

Completing Manderville questline is challenging enough.

Eh, at least it was short. Too bad I can't say that about the second half of EW's MSQ, lmao

[Kes13a]

at the end of the day (or expansion in most games like this one) a "relic" ends up being glam anyway.

forget which relic it was, think the second one, I did that, pretty much swore I would never put myself through it again. so, just something that I do normally anyway without a huge grindfest (for the second step anyway) I am more than okay with. we have no clue what the next steps are going to be, so, can complain about it AFTER its all said and done, whining about it now seems to be jumping the gun...

[Xirean]

Are we gonna ignore the elephant in the room that widespread access to something devalues its worth in a world where everyone strives to be as unique as possible?

Honestly the accessibility is a pro in this case. The biggest loss of accessibility is the entire Manderville story and I already know people who say that is too much. The grind for this relic is front loaded especially if you don't like Manderville. Also just gotta say, there's already a lot of shiny weapons in the game and at this point it's take your pick of which version you prefer. I care very little for the perceived value of that shiny.

[TomsYoungerBro]

Honestly the accessibility is a pro in this case. The biggest loss of accessibility is the entire Manderville story and I already know people who say that is too much. The grind for this relic is front loaded especially if you don't like Manderville. Also just gotta say, there's already a lot of shiny weapons in the game and at this point it's take your pick of which version you prefer. I care very little for the perceived value of that shiny.

IIRC you had to do the Ivalice questline first before all the Bozja stuff was accessible in ShB. Nothing really new in terms of "pre-grind" here