Half of a ward being owned by one person

[PaalHenrik]

Having more than one FC house on a single service account on a single world is already a violation of the rules, no RMTing required.


I do like wine.

It is not a violation. It is not against the ToS. Keep on grasping.

[ChooChooTraaaaaaaaain]

Having more than one FC house on a single service account on a single world is already a violation of the rules, no RMTing required.

Show the part in the Terms of Service where it actually defines that multiple ownership on a single account will be met with enforcement or consequences. (No your little housing graph or chart that says "you can only own one house" is not part of the terms of service or a rule/law.)

Guess what, you can't because there are no defined consequences. It's about as much of a violation as someone taking more than 1 piece of halloween candy from the bucket with a sign that says "Take only one". Too bad so sad!

Also, tell me how you 100% prove each and every house is actually owned by the same person. No really, show me how you managed to figure out beyond fc tags or names or lodestone information that someone is in fact the same person on the same account.
Do you have access to mogstation database information and customer information?

How do you know 10 houses owned by an FC with identical names and tags are not 10 separate people on 10 separate service accounts that decided to come together for the hell of it and make them all the same? Just because you think it's infinitely unlikely that it's the scenario I just described still does not prove beyond assumption. Let me guess you saw someone in a discord or on reddit brag they own 10 houses? Anyone can verbally declare ownership over 10 houses or hell ownership over Limsa but you still can't actually validate it.

You literally cannot prove it, and a GM will not search a player up and down based on a player assumption. You know, like how police have to get actual permission based on evidence to look for something. Enjoy your witch hunt, you'll never win.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Show the part in the Terms of Service where it actually defines that multiple ownership on a single account will be met with enforcement or consequences. (No your little housing graph or chart that says "you can only own one house" is not part of the terms of service or a rule/law.)

Have fun chasing your tail on this. I blocked him after my third request to actually provide a citation as to the location and verbiage in the TOS went ignored.

[ChooChooTraaaaaaaaain]

Have fun chasing your tail on this. I blocked him after my third request to actually provide a citation as to the location and verbiage in the TOS went ignored.

I am not waiting for it. I'm here to show he can't produce anything. Only losers block people they cannot win an argument with.

Every attempt to justify why people can't or shouldn't own multiple houses regardless of the method in the history of this forum falls flat on it's face because it boils down to people's personal morals and ethics based on their emotions running wild in the moment.

A handful of repeat posters come here when their anger swells up just to throw out buzzwords like ToS or RMT or Rules or 'Slumlord' and then make a Christmas wishlist of doomsday punishments to satiate their dark desire for revenge. Yet not a single shred of evidence is ever provided and it's all based on assumptions and a thirst for personal justice. "We all know they are RMT'ing and breaking ToS!!". No, you don't know and you still have not shown actual hard evidence.

Disgraceful.

A literal witchhunt. What was that about morals again? Only applies when its convenient of course.

[Troxbark]

I am not waiting for it. I'm here to show he can't produce anything. Only losers block people they cannot win an argument with.

Every attempt to justify why people can't or shouldn't own multiple houses regardless of the method in the history of this forum falls flat on it's face because it boils down to people's personal morals and ethics based on their emotions running wild in the moment.

A handful of repeat posters come here when their anger swells up just to throw out buzzwords like ToS or RMT or Rules or 'Slumlord' and then make a Christmas wishlist of doomsday punishments to satiate their dark desire for revenge. Yet not a single shred of evidence is ever provided and it's all based on assumptions and a thirst for personal justice. "We all know they are RMT'ing and breaking ToS!!". No, you don't know and you still have not shown actual hard evidence.

Disgraceful.

A literal witchhunt. What was that about morals again? Only applies when its convenient of course.

And what if SE does crack down on it? Are the handful of players going to quit? You and I both know they won't.

Even if you think they will, their subs are insignificant compared to how many players would benefit and stay subbed longer for it.

The whole "it's not against tos!" doesn't matter. SE can change their mind in a heartbeat. Tos binds the players, not the company.

[Stormpeaks]

And what if SE does crack down on it? Are the handful of players going to quit? You and I both know they won't.

Even if you think they will, their subs are insignificant compared to how many players would benefit and stay subbed longer for it.

The whole "it's not against tos!" doesn't matter. SE can change their mind in a heartbeat. Tos binds the players, not the company.

Lmao, as if people are quitting because of housing, and its obvious you dont know how many accounts multiowners have, their subs outweighs the complainers and quitters (quitters because of the housing situation), dont worry.

If you are clueless you should just ask.

And nah, SE wont say no to more money from multiowners, as its a monthly payment x the number of accounts.

They wont "crack down" on it, keep on dreaming.

[CatStarwind]

Show the part in the Terms of Service where it actually defines that multiple ownership on a single account will be met with enforcement or consequences. (No your little housing graph or chart that says "you can only own one house" is not part of the terms of service or a rule/law.)

Guess what, you can't because there are no defined consequences. It's about as much of a violation as someone taking more than 1 piece of halloween candy from the bucket with a sign that says "Take only one". Too bad so sad!

I mean, I can.

Land Ownership - You do not have a character on the same World on the same service account that purchased and maintains a free company plot

2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

But you already covered worming out of that:

By the way. The Terms of Service is not evidence.

Anyone can verbally declare ownership over 10 houses or hell ownership over Limsa but you still can't actually validate it.

How convenient. All the players who have self reported here and on the discord are just lying. They're certainly working hard to keep that lie alive, between harassment campaigns and ensuring the exploit gets as little attention as possible. When people show you who they are, believe them the first time.

Have fun chasing your tail on this. I blocked him after my third request to actually provide a citation as to the location and verbiage in the TOS went ignored.

You do realize more than once you've directly quoted me showing the pertinent TOS verbiage.

A handful of repeat posters come here when their anger swells up just to throw out buzzwords like ToS or RMT or Rules or 'Slumlord' and then make a Christmas wishlist of doomsday punishments to satiate their dark desire for revenge. Yet not a single shred of evidence is ever provided and it's all based on assumptions and a thirst for personal justice. "We all know they are RMT'ing and breaking ToS!!". No, you don't know and you still have not shown actual hard evidence.

Disgraceful.

A literal witchhunt. What was that about morals again? Only applies when its convenient of course.

Are you well? It might be time for a break, especially if you're going as far as creating an alt account just to continue gas lighting.

[ChooChooTraaaaaaaaain]

...creating an alt account just to continue gas lighting.

You posted this exact same response and misleading deflection elsewhere. So I will also post the same response to your shameless deflection to ensure other readers understand that you are posting the same baseless arguments on other posts in this forum.

What you posted:


The lines you quoted are from two separate documentations.
>> The section you quoted for 2.1 Cheating and Botting is directly pulled from the Terms of Service.

>> The line you quoted about Land Ownership is pulled from Additional Plots and Purchasing Guide. This is a completely different entity from the Terms of Service.

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The argument you are pushing about Land Ownership does not reside in the Terms of Service, or even indirectly. Details below:

• Land Ownership guidelines are not included in the Terms of Service.
• Land Ownership that exceeds the amount of 1 FC and 1 House is not detailed, identified, or regarded to as a bug.
• Land Ownership that exceeds the amount of 1 FC and 1 House is not detailed, identified, or regarded to an exploit.
• Land Ownership that exceeds the amount of 1 FC and 1 House does not have a consequence with a violation in the same language or nature as section 2.1 Cheating and Botting or other related sections that have consequences tied to actions in the Terms of Service.
• Owning more than one service account is not detailed, identified, or regarded to as an exploit or bug.
• Circumvention of the suggested plot maximum per the Additional Plots and Purchasing Guide does not fall under the pretense of section 2.1 because it does not fit the criteria of being a bug or an exploit.

You have failed to make a valid connection between bug/exploit and multiple house ownership.

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Did you know that per the FFXIV Forum Guidelines you are violating one of the listed rules about "Posting a number of posts with the same content"?

Again, enforcement begins with yourself.

[Stormpeaks]

I mean, I can.




But you already covered worming out of that:




How convenient. All the players who have self reported here and on the discord are just lying. They're certainly working hard to keep that lie alive, between harassment campaigns and ensuring the exploit gets as little attention as possible. When people show you who they are, believe them the first time.




You do realize more than once you've directly quoted me showing the pertinent TOS verbiage.



Are you well? It might be time for a break, especially if you're going as far as creating an alt account just to continue gas lighting.

Funny how you will gladly talk about multiowners "harassing" you, just like you called me a stalker for responding to you a few weeks back, because apparently responding to you is stalking, yet you are the one harassing people because you think you are in the right, when multiple people have proven you wrong by even showing you that it's not in the ToS, and is barely a "guideline" which you can decide to follow or not follow.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

And what if SE does crack down on it? Are the handful of players going to quit? You and I both know they won't.

Even if you think they will, their subs are insignificant compared to how many players would benefit and stay subbed longer for it.

The whole "it's not against tos!" doesn't matter. SE can change their mind in a heartbeat. Tos binds the players, not the company.

They changed the rules on housing before and did not take the houses from players who had multiple. They already set precedent that a change of rules will not penalise those players who worked under old rules fairly. The rules as they are now is 1 private and 1 fc house per world. I have 1 private and 1 fc house across 3 worlds for a total of 6 plots. I went to the bother of preparing characters for the new servers and won my new houses without competition. The new EU servers still have hundreds of free plots. I committed no small amount of time to leveling, doing msq and now maxing crafters on both those characters for the sake of my dream plots.

Truly baffling why there is so much rage when atm there is an entire new NA dc to fill, soon more servers on that dc. New EU servers with hundreds of houses still available too. If you won't either make an alt or move your main then housing is not that big a deal to you after all. I'd even bet the ones on packed servers complaining over housing will also be raging at the huge queues on next expansion release. I wouldn't say I am taking anything from anyone when there are hundreds of empty plots still. In a perfect world wards would scale with demand on their own, apartments could be upgraded to larger size etc. I would love that. I'd get myself one of the beach front cottages in the mist and my little dream house collection would be complete. Asking for those things at least makes some sense, especially upgrading apartment size. Removing maybe a couple hundred plots across all DC from multi house owners wouldn't make much of a dent and you would still whine to take houses away from people for some other reason.

Anyway, imma chill sipping tea at my lb 11! Enjoy your rage.