SE, no effort anywhere lately.

[Jojoya]

Well, yeah. Ofc. But its different when I want to engage with content, but even new one is boring. I was the person who dedicated myself to do 130 runs of Diamond extreme for mount, even when 50 + wait would be enough for mount), but I dont even see current extremes as fun and never farmed them. I dont want to spend money on another game, but I would need to. Spending 2 subs at once (because I have house in FF I like and doing ultimates with static I dont want to leave) can be felt. And I bet there is more people like me, who would like to play more games, but are frustrated by its challenges, if you know what I mean. And also, if I join wow, I would like to engage with engame and there is 6.4 soon. I dont know how people have time to raid in WoW and FF at the same time. They dont go to work? :/.

A lot of them do. But all they do is raid once at level cap, and they're usually part of large FCs that will help boost them up to current raid gear standards quickly. That's far more difficult to do if you're playing mostly as a solo player, especially in WoW.

7.0 is literally next year, that means what we have now and for the past AT LEAST 9 months is basically maintenance mode with minimal content, so much for a "working" formula

Is that 9 month wait not worth it for something new?

Better than the 11-16 month content gaps that WoW has had in the past between the final content patch of one expansion and the release of the next expansion. We're not talking about dliuted content being released in those months. There was zero new content of any sort and man, were the WoW players angry.

It was bad enough waiting for Cataclysm's release (though at least Blizzard did add Ruby Sanctum even if no one liked doing it). The waits between Cata and MoP, then MoP and WoD were abysmal.

Cataclysm was great. MoP was very fun, but started bit too daily grindy. WoD was amazing... if it was 1 year expansion. I dont think Wotlk was the best and everything after was worse. Thats just pink nostalgia glassess.

Or it's you enjoyed different things about WoW than I did. I can't agree that Cataclysm was great. It had a brief period during Firelands where it had started to pick itself up after falling then fell right back down again during Dragon Soul. There went a couple of million players.

I did thoroughly enjoy MoP and it's a shame that so many players judged it harshly because "pandaland". There went another couple of million players.

WoD was terrible. Flat out terrible. I was in the beta and didn't bother buying it for release because I could see how bad it was going to be. It wasn't until after the Paragon interview disaster and multiple friends asking me to come back that I got the expansion. It was still bad, even though I was able to catch up to my friends very fast thanks to knowing what to do from beta. It had lost a couple of million players within 6 months of launch and almost lost half of the remaining players following the Paragon interview. It still lost at least another million players at that time (and gee, Blizzard stopped releasing subscriber stats, wonder why).

Legion was decent compared to WoD but to me it still had its problems. I did not like world quests (though at least they were better than WoD's Assault Missions). I hated the Artifact Power grind. Order Halls didn't end up adding anything interest to the game other than more forced grind to get the "right" Order Hall traits unlocked. I was spending more time playing FFXIV and other games than I was spending playing Legion. I quit for good at the end of Legion, the nonsense with the Burning of Teldrassil in the pre-patch was the final nail in the coffin.

What happened with WoW after that I only know from sites like MMOChamp and other media reports, not from being there.

So what was good to you was not good to me or millions of others.

[sharknado]

But thats the point. Make a MMO with best of moth and you have MMO killer. Something for everyone. True internet experience. Both are just running in its already made rails, instead of getting tires and learn how to turn around.

I doubt that this would be possible. It's super unlikely to make one MMO that will be for everyone and have everyone play it.

If WoW had Legion Classic right now (or DF was an equivalent) I would likely be running some +10 or +15 M+ right now over and over just to maybe get some titanforged gear, improve RIO score and because it's quick, dynamic piece of content. This of course would require player score to exclude/include bad/good players. Plus addons, gear and skill checks although in Legion it was overall chill compared to M+ in subsequent expansions. Maybe Vanilla SoM 2 if they make good rules and it won't be boring raid-farm.

In FF14 I play completely differntly. I did only EX2 in Endwalker just because of the boss name and music not because of some score/bleeding edge gearing (which what I would do in WoW). After I come back after a break I did the gathering tribe dailies mostly because I was curious what's next in the story (but the story ends). Aside of that I finished leveling all ARR/HW jobs to 50 as a sort of personal goal (while liking some storylines) but this has and end as well.

I made few other personal goals but I got most of them done and soon I'll probably take a break again becaus waiting for next interesting story (if there will be any) and waiting to find/create new personal goals. In WoW I never really cared much about achievements/personal goals other than end game progression/player power. Healer main focusing only on healing and anything not related to that is "dead content" as there is no real attachement to characters or story.

[Padudu]

If you're just venting, that's fine, but your wording isn't going to attract dev team attention. You make valid points about the cons of recent content. However, putting it more in the form of constructive criticism instead of saying they aren't working hard will increase your chances of dev attention I assure you.

Ngl, people can do it more eloquently than me, I just wanted to post.

[Stormpeaks]

A lot of them do. But all they do is raid once at level cap, and they're usually part of large FCs that will help boost them up to current raid gear standards quickly. That's far more difficult to do if you're playing mostly as a solo player, especially in WoW.


Is that 9 month wait not worth it for something new?

Better than the 11-16 month content gaps that WoW has had in the past between the final content patch of one expansion and the release of the next expansion. We're not talking about dliuted content being released in those months. There was zero new content of any sort and man, were the WoW players angry.

It was bad enough waiting for Cataclysm's release (though at least Blizzard did add Ruby Sanctum even if no one liked doing it). The waits between Cata and MoP, then MoP and WoD were abysmal.

Except WoW has m+ which is repeatable fun content. And also the same system for raids basically, I forgot the exact name of it.

[Kes13a]

Except WoW has m+ which is repeatable fun content. And also the same system for raids basically, I forgot the exact name of it.

m+ wasnt fun for everyone.

[Stormpeaks]

m+ wasnt fun for everyone.

Nothing will ever be fun for every single person in the world, what kind of thinking is that lmao, it's repeatable content nonetheless if X or Y find it fun or not, same for raids, unlike FF which has no decent repeatable content

[SaltyDaddy]

Except WoW has m+ which is repeatable fun content. And also the same system for raids basically, I forgot the exact name of it.

There is actually more drama around M+ having some trully BS affixes which makes M+ not fun. My static even have this week a break just because this week M+ have the least bs affix combo, so people wanted to use it. A lot of people suggest that they should make WOW M+ affixes possitive instead of negative. And thats what I suggested a long time ago into Criteon. Some possitive affixes that can change play style every week. No new reward, just change how it feels and even with that more people gonna try it again.

[Jojoya]

Nothing will ever be fun for every single person in the world, what kind of thinking is that lmao, it's repeatable content nonetheless if X or Y find it fun or not, same for raids, unlike FF which has no decent repeatable content

There is decent repeatable content here. It's just not repeatable content that appeals to you.

Which is pretty much the point of discussions like these. You're not going to get a game that makes content that appeals to everyone. Players need to find the games that make the content that appeal to them.

The basic content design hasn't really changed much since Heavensward, We get MSQ. We get the 8 man raid series with 12 bosses and a Savage mode. We get the 24 man Alliance raid series with 12 bosses. We get EX versions of the normal trials. They did skip Deep Dungeon in Shadowbringers but that was because they wanted to use those resources for Bozja/Zadnor and so added the job leveling feature to that where it hadn't been included in Eureka. And a new Deep Dungeon is getting released in a couple of weeks. We get FATEs, we get Hunts, we get crafting/gathering.

Why was it acceptable to you in the past but is not acceptable to you now? What happened to cause you to become dissatisfied?

[SaltyDaddy]

Why was it acceptable to you in the past but is not acceptable to you now? What happened to cause you to become dissatisfied?

Fights were better designed. That one is mega subjective. But I just had more fun SB/ShB battle designs, than now. Its not about the ammount, but style of content for me. And because new content dont appeal to me, I try to search for it elsewhere to find, I have non. Deep Dungeons dont appeal to me much. I have everything fates can offer to me. Im conducting trains, spawning S ranks, have every hunt achievement. Same with crafting (cant say gathering, because i dont want to make myself finish fishing). I have finished the game and its time to move one... but I still think that feeling came too fast in the middle of expansion.

[Kes13a]

Nothing will ever be fun for every single person in the world, what kind of thinking is that lmao, it's repeatable content nonetheless if X or Y find it fun or not, same for raids, unlike FF which has no decent repeatable content

I quite agree, no game is ever going to be fun for everyone.

like WoW, FFxiv has repeatable content. it is unrealistic to state, that "nothing will ever be fun for every single person in the world" regarding repeatable content, and then turn around and expect exactly that from FFxiv. the repeatable content in FFxiv, we agree, is not going to be fun for everyone. just like m+ wasnt.

but it is STILL, repeatable content