SE, no effort anywhere lately.

[ReynTime]

Some of it feels like that, some of it feels like that general feeling I keep getting that co-op PvE is on its way out and honestly I wish it wasn't because that means a future that's either lonely or filled with an exclusive diet of PvP, which has never been much of a big calling for me (outside of old school board and card games, and that one time I was lucky my friends and I all played Unreal Tournament at the time - yes I'm dating myself - anyways).

Apparently C&V dungeons didn't have enough rewards (I'm still finishing up 6.0, so I haven't had a chance to try them myself and it sounds iffy if I will get to outside of Solo Variant, lol) - but as we know, that's a notoriously fussy thing to balance from a design standpoint.

Deep Dungeons always have a certain draw if only because it's about the only part of the game that has a few teeth left while still being variable enough that you get to use your noggin instead of it being a fiesta of "just paint by numbers from the influencer videos unless you're a world prog grade player yourself" like most PvE feels like now (almost like, why are we even playing the game anymore instead of just watching streamers do it? Not like you can really do it much differently without losing, unlike traditional RPGs. And if you point out that's a flaw, the hardcore people will say they won't feel challenged if it's not that strict. No wonder most casual folks seem more into Venue RP now). But their flaw is that they tend to demand marathon sessions most folks of the interested bent no longer have.

It might just be multiplayer gaming as we knew it that's played out, and the modern shifts seem like they mainly benefit influencers and fans rather than veteran gamers. And while I suppose SE could do otherwise, would it bring in the money they're expected to?

Criterion's problem isn't only the rewards, so much as it failed to provide a challenge of the same level of deep dungeons, exploratory content or extremes, which are what bridge between casual and savage tier. Instead they gave us more casual (Variant) and two savage (Criterion and Criterion Savage). The rewards sucking is the icing, because for how difficult Criterion is, those rewards are disproportional.

EDIT: I'll also add that in my personal opinion the way V&C offer "alternate paths" feels incredibly artificial. When they explained what it was, I imagined we would get a dungeon type that actually felt like a dungeon again. Instead, it's more content that feels like a theme-park attraction in Disney World. Only this time you're asked to solve puzzles and make your choice of paths when the attraction guide wants you to. On top of that, only Variant, which is easy enough as is, allows a level of flexibility. In the end the full experience barely feels any different to existing dungeon design.

[R041]

That's why it's always funny when you see serial posters say they still have stuff to do, so they're not bored of XIV. Well yeah, because you spend most of your time on the forum. No wonder you still feel you have things to do, you get all of your actual engagement out of the multiplayer notepad.

But most of us aren't like that, we need the game itself to be engaging and fulfilling to continue moving on. It's as slow as a 10 year old Manga and just as engaging. Slap some FOMO housing on that manga and I couldn't tell the difference at this point.

[Ath192]

Sounds like you enjoy WoW. Which, is perfectly fine and all that. Bit strange that you if you are having so much fun in another game you feel the need to come to the forum of the game you no longer play just to bitch about it.

I mean, if you've moved on...then MOVE ON. Trust, it's the healthy thing to do.

Have fun!

Yes let’s shoo away people that cite reasons for leaving as feedback so the game improves because the game is perfect as is. That way everyone will quit faster and they can shut the game down or stop updating it all together quicker. /clap

[SaltyDaddy]

Sounds like you enjoy WoW. Which, is perfectly fine and all that. Bit strange that you if you are having so much fun in another game you feel the need to come to the forum of the game you no longer play just to bitch about it.

I mean, if you've moved on...then MOVE ON. Trust, it's the healthy thing to do.

Have fun!

Exactly! Let people go away from our game, just because they find it boring lately. Thats awesome idea! And it works. I also downloaded wow after so many years and thinking about buying a sub just because every dummy in this forum tells me I should go play other games. And lemme tell, you, Im not gonna play FF for a LOONG time before a catch up with all wow content that released. So cg. Just caps shout everybody, who wants FF14 to improve, so they can have more fun with it, to go away. Let FF die and move on! Was a fun ride while it lasted...

[Denhith]

Yes let’s shoo away people that cite reasons for leaving as feedback so the game improves because the game is perfect as is. That way everyone will quit faster and they can shut the game down or stop updating it all together quicker. /clap

You won't find anywhere that I said the game is perfect. Far from it.

But there is a huge difference between "feedback" and coming to a forum for a game you supposedly no longer play and have no interest in playing ever again (their words, not mine) and just bitching. It's simply not healthy, full stop.

[Denhith]

And lemme tell, you, Im not gonna play FF for a LOONG time before a catch up with all wow content that released...

Um, ok. Whatever works for you and makes you happy, I say go for it. Have fun!

[SaltyDaddy]

Criterion's problem isn't only the rewards, so much as it failed to provide a challenge of the same level of deep dungeons, exploratory content or extremes, which are what bridge between casual and savage tier. Instead they gave us more casual (Variant) and two savage (Criterion and Criterion Savage). The rewards sucking is the icing, because for how difficult Criterion is, those rewards are disproportional.

True. Proper rewards would just slower dying process by little. But having content that is balanced around savage gear and rewarding only materia is just spit on players, that made they not wanting to even try engaging with said content.

But I liked it as challenging content. Was very fun for me. Could be better? Sure. But good start.

You won't find anywhere that I said the game is perfect. Far from it.

But there is a huge difference between "feedback" and coming to a forum for a game you supposedly no longer play and have no interest in playing ever again (their words, not mine) and just bitching. It's simply not healthy, full stop.

They literally said what type of content they find fun in other games. HOW IS THAT NOT A FEEDBACK holy shit. They dont want to play in current state, but it can be seen THAT THEY STILL CARE. Dont be dumb.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That's why it's always funny when you see serial posters say they still have stuff to do, so they're not bored of XIV. Well yeah, because you spend most of your time on the forum. No wonder you still feel you have things to do, you get all of your actual engagement out of the multiplayer notepad.

But most of us aren't like that, we need the game itself to be engaging and fulfilling to continue moving on. It's as slow as a 10 year old Manga and just as engaging. Slap some FOMO housing on that manga and I couldn't tell the difference at this point.

Well, I guess if you don't do any of the games content, you'd run out pretty quickly.

[Padudu]

You won't find anywhere that I said the game is perfect. Far from it.

But there is a huge difference between "feedback" and coming to a forum for a game you supposedly no longer play and have no interest in playing ever again (their words, not mine) and just bitching. It's simply not healthy, full stop.

Not healthy? What are you, an armchair therapist? They literally made ONE post my dude lmao. You'd have more of a case if they were ranting up and down about it, but making a singular post with coherent couple of paragraphs where you can follow the logic behind it isn't an indicator of mental unwellness really. Come on now, be reasonable.

[Ath192]

You won't find anywhere that I said the game is perfect. Far from it.

But there is a huge difference between "feedback" and coming to a forum for a game you supposedly no longer play and have no interest in playing ever again (their words, not mine) and just bitching. It's simply not healthy, full stop.

What I learned from him and the example he cited is that WoW has some content that lasts a lot longer than XIV does for players that want to stick around.

What I learned from your comment is that you became offended when someone else brought ideas FFXIV could look at and you cussed him out and told him to go away.

Then, you disguised it as health concerns and pretended you were a nice person….

It crazy how people try to rationalize their aggressive/toxic behavior.