Get rid of SAM Limit break gimmick already (FL)

[RyanCousland]

i dont have an issue with SAM in FL, if i see one i focus target to see the buff/debuffs so i know when to avoid it or for sake of poops & giggles i'll deprive it of the multi one hit KO, however i do understand the issue for any player that mains a ranged job, maybe if chitens debuff had a radius limit that might level it out *throws 2 pennies*

[Divinemights]

Its definitely more of an issue in CC, but mostly with aoe's. In FL's I'm never in range of them anyways, but in CC, ya if you're in one of the many choke points you have to be a lot more careful. Generally if I see that they have LB and I'm on BLM or something I kind of backoff or throw a superflare out there to CC them and get out of their LB range. Usually its enough to get them burned down, especially if you mark them correctly. Its a bit more annoying to deal with in CC, but honestly their LB stops being an issue once you get beyond gold rank and people kind of know what they are doing.

lol what? Yes please give me an instant kill for anyone below 50%. That is way stronger than trying to bait out a debuff with chiten. At least currently the SAM LB requires a setup and you can actually avoid it just by visually looking for the chiten animation. NIN LB you can't guard or anything. All you can do is spam recup and hope to keep yourself above 50% long enough to fall back from the fight and get away from them. I'd much rather deal with a SAM than a NIN.

From history of posts it seems he is playing on a job that most players avoid to attack and usually with a premade party
His chance of getting sniped by Ninja is slim and if something is up, his friends can bails him out; but not Samurai LB

[True-to-Caesar]

I feel like cheese ("executing or receiving") makes any PVP game fun, not just FFXIV. Some examples: Warcraft III: Necromancer Rush back in the day; Starcraft II cannon rush, zergling 6 pool, etc. (back in the day); WoW Pyromancer "poly 1 shot"; Overwatch - a good Widowmaker with headshots; old school DOTA using a really good Techies (hour long games - techies eventually carries LOL). FFXIV MCH 1 shot combo in an earlier patch, WHM holy spam (back in the day). Every PVP game (RTS/MMORPG/MOBA) has some kind of cheese.

Using the "cheese" is fun because you can get an easy win if the opposing team/player is clueless. BUT, even better is when someone tries to USE the cheese AGAINST you and you counter it or make them waste it (in the case of SAM lb). That feeling is much more SATISFYING. That is the essence of PVP, it's not supposed to be laidback, that's what casual PVE is for. PVP is meant to be COMPETITIVE which means you need to be aware, thinking and praying to Hydaelyn that your fingers are dexterous enough to keep up and not make mistakes. Even in "casual PVP," it's STILL A COMPETITION (literally player versus player), if you let your guard down, you will be punished for it (SAM LB), no pun intended.

If I died and lose my BH5 simply because I wasn't paying attention as much as I should, I don't even get mad. I think to myself, how can avoid making the same mistake as before? What did I do wrong?

Idk about the other ones but doing headshots in Overwatch is not always easy. That’s why it’s rewarding. She also oneshots low HP characters with headshots, so not everyone is concerned by this.
WoW patches the oneshot stuff in PvP, even though they’re very slow with them. Using FFXIV as example is not a good idea to get some comparison here.

Every PvP game worth its salt controls the cheese, the player needs to work for it and if done correctly it has drawbacks otherwise everyone would be doing it, you talk about headshots, in melee slasher games you can oneshot with a maul but it’s incredibly slow and not always good to use compared to the other weapons.

In FFXIV, what is difficult about waiting for a gauge to fill up, press 2 keybinds and call it a day ? Or just Pray RNGesus as MCH for a oneshot to proc?

It’s just another aspect of a dumbed down mode, and why MMOs will always suck for balanced and competitive PvP.

[Ransu]

In FFXIV, what is difficult about waiting for a gauge to fill up, press 2 keybinds and call it a day ? Or just Pray RNGesus as MCH for a oneshot to proc?

It’s just another aspect of a dumbed down mode, and why MMOs will always suck for balanced and competitive PvP.

LB's are no different than Ults in OW...

[Kathleen_]

Idk about the other ones but doing headshots in Overwatch is not always easy. That’s why it’s rewarding.

I hope you're kidding. Headshot hitboxes are huge in OW; projectile hitboxes are also much bigger than they should be so characters like Hanzo, Genji, Mei, Zen etc. can all easily get headshots all day long.

[Towa-Musa]

Idk about the other ones but doing headshots in Overwatch is not always easy. That’s why it’s rewarding. She also oneshots low HP characters with headshots, so not everyone is concerned by this.
WoW patches the oneshot stuff in PvP, even though they’re very slow with them. Using FFXIV as example is not a good idea to get some comparison here.

Every PvP game worth its salt controls the cheese, the player needs to work for it and if done correctly it has drawbacks otherwise everyone would be doing it, you talk about headshots, in melee slasher games you can oneshot with a maul but it’s incredibly slow and not always good to use compared to the other weapons.

In FFXIV, what is difficult about waiting for a gauge to fill up, press 2 keybinds and call it a day ? Or just Pray RNGesus as MCH for a oneshot to proc?

It’s just another aspect of a dumbed down mode, and why MMOs will always suck for balanced and competitive PvP.

I mean yeah, but we can all agree that ff14 pvp sucks the most eggs right?

[Nikoto]

I hope you're kidding. Headshot hitboxes are huge in OW; projectile hitboxes are also much bigger than they should be so characters like Hanzo, Genji, Mei, Zen etc. can all easily get headshots all day long.

Such is the fate of games also designed for console.

[Towa-Musa]

Such is the fate of games also designed for console.

yerp, such is the fate.

[True-to-Caesar]

I mean yeah, but we can all agree that ff14 pvp sucks the most eggs right?

Lala eggs yea lol

LB's are no different than Ults in OW...

But they are countered way more easily, often just by hiding behind a wall for a short time.

How do you counter a WHM aoe stun/beam ? You don’t you take it.
WAR, same thing, the only «*counter*» is the warrior not facing the opponents correctly so nothing you can do.
SAM oneshot LB, so basically from your point of view in a team fight, one should never attack or even AoE if a Samurai is nearby and get steamrolled. Nice counter there.

[Towa-Musa]

https://youtu.be/Ncy6Mgv5K14

good gods, did not know this video existed but its a interesting find.