MSQ Capstone Fights - iLvl requirement set too high & fights skip content as a result

[dspguy]

When I did the final trial for EW at release, I thought it was pretty epic. Decent mix of difficulty (for story mode) and it fit in great with how EW ends. I did this during EW release, so the gear we had was the 89/90 job-specific set. It was the "right" amount of difficulty. I ran that trial so many times early on for the TT card. I could "feel" it get easier as more players had tome gear and then raid gear. It was expected, but it is a pushover now.

[Wanzzo]

Endgame instances should cap item level at the tier they were released for, rather than whatever that expansion's final tier was. Might help make the Crystal Tower raids less of a dull slog.

true.

There is a boss there that we get him down so fast that even today no body knows how the platforms around him works, 'cause they aren't needed. We deplete all his HP in less than 2 minutes.

[CaptainLagbeard]

true.

There is a boss there that we get him down so fast that even today no body knows how the platforms around him works, 'cause they aren't needed. We deplete all his HP in less than 2 minutes.

I do wonder how many people would remember the mechanics to all the bosses in Labyrinth and CT, if you couldn't just melt the bosses before most of them go off...

[TheMightyMollusk]

The wipe fests would produce enough salt to rebuild Ala Mhigo.

[Amenara]

I think the better outcome would be people would stop intentionally cheesing their ilvl to get CT raids since no one remembers how to do the mechanics and maybe we can get some of the more fun alliance raids in raid finder again.

[Saraide]

I think the better outcome would be people would stop intentionally cheesing their ilvl to get CT raids since no one remembers how to do the mechanics and maybe we can get some of the more fun alliance raids in raid finder again.

You'd still have massively more CT raids. If you arent ilvl cheesing and there were people running higher level raids, you would get them.

[Kaurhz]

- Encounters should be capped at the patch-relevant Item Level. E.g., Thordan:190 Shinryu:320, Hades:450.
- The quest for the Loathsome Memories of the Dying should be granted from all Alliance raids. Arguably, I would remove the 1:1 outright from Crystal Tower, and rework it so that they are only granted from Castrum and Critical Engagements - Although I would balance this out with a daily repeatable quest which awards 5-7 upon doing Alliance Raids roulette.
- Personally, I would also rework the minimum Item level requirement so that it scales based on your level, rather than based on a fixed-set 70 (Minimum for Labyrinth and Syrcus) - e.g., if you are level 71 then I think the minimum item level requirement should be 370.

[Amenara]

You'd still have massively more CT raids. If you arent ilvl cheesing and there were people running higher level raids, you would get them.

Dunno, I think if the raids had actual mechanics again then people would be less wanting to run them as they would take longer and would be significantly more difficult so it would hopefully turn into them mostly being run for first timers. That being said, I think there would have to be some thought into redesigning Labyrinth encounters as they were intended to be done with 6 tanks which could be a problem if mechanics were made mandatory again for them.

[Saraide]

Dunno, I think if the raids had actual mechanics again then people would be less wanting to run them as they would take longer and would be significantly more difficult so it would hopefully turn into them mostly being run for first timers. That being said, I think there would have to be some thought into redesigning Labyrinth encounters as they were intended to be done with 6 tanks which could be a problem if mechanics were made mandatory again for them.

This line of thinking only works if you assume that the majority of runs is caused only by ilvl cheesers. There is no evidence supporting that, especially when CT is required for MSQ.

[Amenara]

This line of thinking only works if you assume that the majority of runs is caused only by ilvl cheesers. There is no evidence supporting that, especially when CT is required for MSQ.

Like I said, I dunno. I don't think anyone does as we have no way of knowing how many new players are going through the MSQ. I do know the last couple alliance raids have been a CT raid for me and I have noticed someone popping in naked in all of those runs.

Edit: At the same time I haven't really been paying attention to the message about a new player either, so my muses are just that.