The Definition of "Handsome"

[Gemina]

Look what I find or don't find attractive isn't of anyone's concern, but this thread seems to indicate that more feminine or even just anything that is not bearded and scarred to hell and back is not a man and not attractive in any way. That is what I take issue with.

You're the one who made it anyone's concern. You stated this, remember?

Anyone else getting a little bit of a Titanman feel from this? "Only manly rugged bearded scarred men are handsome and attractive" really?

Personally, I don't care what you find attractive, but I asked you a genuine question. Because if you can read between the lines, you should know that these aren't the only traits that make a man, a man. However, these characteristics are masculine. So if you don't think masculinity isn't the only thing that makes a man attractive, then what is left? What is left are boyish, effeminate men. If there is something else, then enlighten me. And in order to do that, you will have to mention what you find attractive.

SE can put whatever kind of men they want in the game and being more or less feminine does not make them less or more of a man. Also, pretty sure this is a troll thread that you took way too seriously.

Is that so? And would you by chance one among the many who pushes SE to do things like lift restrictions on gear because of representation and "moar options"? If I looked through your posting history, how long would it be before I found something that is in support of this? So what about male representation of the manly man type? And not just in appearance. Why are so many male NPCs in this game simps? Why are there so few males like Lord Hein, Cid, and Gaius? Only thing prettier than a female Viera are the males, and Runar and the tears he sheds for Y'shola is the NPC who quickly comes to mind when it comes to the Hrothgar. Even big bad Zenos who comes off as masculine is one of the game's biggest simps. He simped after me [the WoL] like no one else; constantly seeking validation through battle, and it was the only thing that he was driven by.

Furthermore, what exactly about Aveyond makes him a troll? I've read many of his posts, and not once got that vibe. Is it because he comes off as contrarian who isn't afraid to say what other people won't? Because when he pushes against the narrative that is spun around here, it offends the easily offended? Hell, I guess that makes me a troll too. I will take it seriously because someone has to. Because no one else will.

and that's your standard as an adult.
Something you use as a base to find whether something is attractive or not.
And that's fine.
Just as fine as other people who think otherwise.
As I said, it takes all kinds.

It's interesting you quoted the only thing I admitted to as being the closest I've mentioned to a standard, but I don't think you know what standards are. A standard would be something you or I require in order to be acceptable and/or sufficient to be so. A measuring tool of sorts. In the case of attraction, my standards might be a male and/or female who is between the ages of XX to XX, be a certain height, race, of religious beliefs, social status, and amount of life experience. What I am mentioning to you and everyone else is what is, and what is not masculine. I've also mentioned that masculinity attracts femininity and vice versa. This is not a standard, this is how binary energies in the universe work. You can think otherwise if you would like, but it does not change this truth.