Was any of the 6.3 content worth waiting 4 months for?

[aveyond-dreams]

Sounds like a few people are asking for a mandatory log in every day to grind currency or fall behind system, you know one of the things people complained most about in WoW. No MMO has content that is new and fresh that occupies every minute of every players times between patches or expansions, it's just the nature of the genre. Content always takes longer to create than to consume.

No, I'm asking for something that I can log in to do every day if I so wish. You do not fall behind by not participating in Eureka or Bozja because there are other ways to get the weapons and gear you need.

In 4.25 I could log in to Eureka and chase after a variety of weapons and dyeable job gear. I had a zone to level through, and fates that aren't exactly pushovers if you don't pay attention, distinguishing them from overworld fate grinds.

In 5.25 we got...an EX trial that dropped the dyeable job gear which was a nuissance since I couldn't just jump in at my leisure, and the weapon was a tome grind, which was also criticized as laughably easy back then.

In 6.25 we got less than that. No armor equivalent, and the weapons being a tome grind again plus the loss of the ex Trial. In its place we got the flop that was Criterion and a trenchcoat no one wanted.

They've proven they can release Exploratory Content by the .25 patch, and I would like to see a return to doing so in 7.X. And with a Deep Dungeon in the .35 patch as well. Hold SE to a higher standard. Again, and I will repeat this until some people get the message: you lose nothing from them doing a better job.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Well I woopsed the patch number but no matter considering we already know we aren't getting an Relic Zone this expansion anyway. And I re-read the post and I don't see how you could interpret it as "since Stormblood". I think the point was more that they were able to do relic zones multiple expansions ago when they would presumably have less resources to work with.

We have no idea if it's a question of willingness or not. For all we know they didn't want to do a zone this time. We're getting a deep dungeon still and I'm all for it. Me n my fc mates are already making group plans. I can live without yet another zone for the 3rd time in a row. If they bring zones back make it more engaging akin to Eureka

[Atelier-Bagur]

No, I'm asking for something that I can log in to do every day if I so wish. You do not fall behind by not participating in Eureka or Bozja because there are other ways to get the weapons and gear you need.

In 4.25 I could log in to Eureka and chase after a variety of weapons and dyeable job gear. I had a zone to level through, and fates that aren't exactly pushovers if you don't pay attention, distinguishing them from overworld fate grinds.

In 5.25 we got...an EX trial that dropped the dyeable job gear which was a nuissance since I couldn't just jump in at my leisure, and the weapon was a tome grind, which was also criticized as laughably easy back then.

In 6.25 we got less than that. No armor equivalent, and the weapons being a tome grind again plus the loss of the ex Trial. In its place we got the flop that was Criterion and a trenchcoat no one wanted.

They've proven they can release Exploratory Content by the .25 patch, and I would like to see a return to doing so in 7.X. And with a Deep Dungeon in the .35 patch as well. Hold SE to a higher standard. Again, and I will repeat this until some people get the message: you lose nothing from them doing a better job.

Most people realistically only had the patience to work on one relic weapon and go through the zone progression which like I said, rushers like myself blazed through ONE ZONE less than a week. The content was in and out. Granted this never meant that it died out as fast as Criterion because of better rewards but the exploratory zones didnt retain players as well as you think they did.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Well I woopsed the patch number but no matter considering we already know we aren't getting an Relic Zone this expansion anyway. And I re-read the post and I don't see how you could interpret it as "since Stormblood". I think the point was more that they were able to do relic zones multiple expansions ago when they would presumably have less resources to work with.

Thats not what he typed. If thats what he meant, thats what he should have said.
Not type something wrong and expect everyone to somehow know what he 'meant' to say

Most people realistically only had the patience to work on one relic weapon and go through the zone progression which like I said, rushers like myself blazed through ONE ZONE less than a week. The content was in and out. Granted this never meant that it died out as fast as Criterion because of better rewards but the exploratory zones didnt retain players as well as you think they did.

"But I like it, therefor that means its good. If I dont like it, that means its bad, even if many other people like it."

[AwesomeJr44]

you lose nothing from them doing a better job.

They only lose one thing: They have to admit that SE might not be currently doing a perfect job. If SE can do better, that means they're not doing their best now, and the thought of that is anathema to their core beliefs.

They never were, and I dont think anyone ever claimed they did.

Of course they aren't doing their best, although some people love to pretend otherwise.

[Rolder50]

We have no idea if it's a question of willingness or not. For all we know they didn't want to do a zone this time. We're getting a deep dungeon still and I'm all for it. Me n my fc mates are already making group plans. I can live without yet another zone for the 3rd time in a row. If they bring zones back make it more engaging akin to Eureka

But they didn't do a zone this time, and didn't do anything equivalent to a zone. They have more resources, but we get less content. How is that any kind of acceptable?

Edit: I also want to point out that in Stormblood, they did a Relic Zone, a Deep Dungeon, AND a trial series. Now we only get one of those things at a time, apparently.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

They only lose one thing: They have to admit that SE might not be currently doing a perfect job. If SE can do better, that means they're not doing their best now, and the thought of that is anathema to their core beliefs.

They never were, and I dont think anyone ever claimed they did.

[Midareyukki]

They never were, and I dont think anyone ever claimed they did.

Some people realy don't like that being questioned though. I think the rest can at least admit that SE isn't currently doing the best job they likely can, otherwise people wouldn't be complaining for stuff since... what, BLU? Eureka Anemos...? Early SB in terms of plot and writing? Regardless of whether they are enjoying themselves regardless.

It should be fine to say "I like this, but it's got flaws I'd like to see fixed"... but because of people like how Awesome described who do react like it's anathema to their beliefs, not even that's allowed sometimes. Not without those people being called toxic and "doing nothing but hate the game". It's certainly been the case in some past threads...

[Atelier-Bagur]

They never were, and I dont think anyone ever claimed they did.

No, people like AwesomeJr and Aveyon live in a fantasy world where they believe that anyone who criticizes their criticism somehow believes that they're nothing but zealots and believe that SE can do no wrong. Which means everything I ever said was in favor of that idea and that all my criticisms of the game were just somehow actually pats on the back for the team's perfection.

These people believe in the "either you're with me, or against me" crowd and never believe that people who enjoy or dont agree on their feedback actually can also criticize other things in this game and leave it at such. Its always the white knight label or the hater label.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Some people realy don't like that being questioned though. I think the rest can at least admit that SE isn't currently doing the best job they likely can, otherwise people wouldn't be complaining for stuff since... what, BLU? Eureka Anemos...? Early SB in terms of plot and writing? Regardless of whether they are enjoying themselves regardless.

It should be fine to say "I like this, but it's got flaws I'd like to see fixed"... but because of people like how Awesome described who do react like it's anathema to their beliefs, not even that's allowed sometimes. Not without those people being called toxic and "doing nothing but hate the game". It's certainly been the case in some past threads...

I mean...Awesome is the same person who is seemingly has issues with any time someone pushes back against pushback. You can't tell folks who have issues that there aren't any in your opinion without them labeling you as something. We've seen it 100 times here already.

You can even say that the game has flaws but if you push back against pushback you're labeled a white knight etc. regardless