Was any of the 6.3 content worth waiting 4 months for?

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Well, I play 3 MMOs (XIV, ESO, GW2) and XIV gets the most (and best quality) content by far! I'm also the kind of weirdo who really likes casual repeatable daily/weekly chores (IS, leves, roulettes, ventures, hunts, hoarding gil/currencies, etc) so I never take a break from this game, lol. I do have my own complaints about XIV but content isn't among them. *shrugs*

Too many times in the past did I wait literally over a year for updates to WoW, mainly at the "end" of an expansion. I just scratch my head when people complain about content cadence in this game. I can't keep up as it is. And I dont even play alts.

[caffe_macchiato]

and this log in be FREE???? you do now we are not all payed bots that play for free.

Because they view a subscription fee as a donation, not something they pay in exchange for something else. In lieu of a good market value, people use guilt tripping and groupthink tactics to rope people in. Soon the same people will start asking to tip the developers.

I think the problem isn't a lack of content, its a lack of content that you want. That may be time to play other games like Yoshi P said? Or maybe this MMO just isn't for you? I played the wrong game for years. There is no shame in moving on to something more suited for you. I adore FFXIV but when I have friends or coworkers (lots of gamers) ask me about it, I usually dont reccomend it to them if they are hard core gamers at all. This game is ultra casual and social at its core, with a few savages and ultimates as a bone thrown to a minority.

Fully agreed. It excels at casual and non-challenging social events. FFXIV has been way too overhyped and needs to be brought down a notch. It’s a fun little side game to keep open while you talk to friends and do other things, but it’s definitely not a replacement for WoW, GW2, or other online games. Those saying we’re “the best” at everything need to face reality.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Here's the issue with Graha Tia in Endwalker.

Do you think Haurchefant would be memorable as a character, if he had survived Heavensward, and was in all of Stormblood being the comic relief and your personal cheerleader with no will or ambitions of his own?
Of course he wouldn't, he'd be some annoying tag along meant to make the WoL look cooler.

Well thats Graha now. I'm not against the fact he's still around, but you can't deny that the only thing he did that was REALLY memorable of Endwalker was the fucking burger meme. If characters don't have interesting stories to tell, they probably shouldn't be brought around for the sole purpose of marketability.

Man the Graha bs is off the charts here. I don't even think of burgers when his name comes up. Only remember that due to saltlords here. I think of him taking charge in Radz when the people began to turn there. I think of him being a badass in Garlemald and saving Ali. Where's the comic relief in any of that? Also how exactly can you claim Graha has no will or ambition of his own? Are you actually paying attention or just coming here for info on him? There's no way you played the up til now in EW, payed full attention and came to this conclusion...

[raelgun]

Too many times in the past did I wait literally over a year for updates to WoW, mainly at the "end" of an expansion. I just scratch my head when people complain about content cadence in this game. I can't keep up as it is. And I dont even play alts.

Eh, I will say blizz dropped the ball on taking a long time for the expansion to drop a few times.

But the time between last patch and expansion for ff14 takes long as well.

However the biggest difference is, at least the raids are quite large to progress though that takes time to do instead of a few days.

The issue in ff14 is, the patch cycles is getting longer and with less content.

Rp and ERP schit isn't content

[Oizen]

Man the Graha bs is off the charts here. I don't even think of burgers when his name comes up. Only remember that due to saltlords here. I think of him taking charge in Radz when the people began to turn there. I think of him being a badass in Garlemald and saving Ali. Where's the comic relief in any of that? Also how exactly can you claim Graha has no will or ambition of his own? Are you actually paying attention or just coming here for info on him? There's no way you played the up til now in EW, payed full attention and came to this conclusion...

So you think of him reminding you of when he was a better character in the previous expansion? And he exists as a tool to call back to that rather than being engaging in the moment? I mean fair enough almost all the scions kinda fall into that trap even in the good expansions. But fact of the matter is, that scene exists solely to make you go "MEMBR THE EXARCH?" Nothing about the Final Days or the 2nd half of end walker even has an impact on Eorzea as a whole. hell even going through it the only place that even seems to have been remotely effective was Thavnair. If you removed this scene in question the plot literally would not change, at all. Hence why EW Graha is just baggage.

But no I don't view that as a real ambition, "I wanna hang out with the WOL!!" isn't an engaging story arc for a character. I guess I prefer characters with their own agency and personality, and less of a peanut gallery to try to make our character look cooler.

But then again a lot of the scions are falling under the "my character arc completed ages ago I'm just here to cheer u on" crowd, the writers just don't write off characters anymore because they're too marketable.

[Striker44]

Fully agreed. It excels at casual and non-challenging social events. FFXIV has been way too overhyped and needs to be brought down a notch. It’s a fun little side game to keep open while you talk to friends and do other things, but it’s definitely not a replacement for WoW, GW2, or other online games. Those saying we’re “the best” at everything need to face reality.

So, your complaint is "it should be brought down a notch" purely because you're not the target audience for it, and you're pathetically bitter that other people who are the target audience are having a lot of fun? That's sad. I can't think of anyone who says FFXIV is the best at "everything." As you mentioned, it's the current best Casual MMO. WoW? If you're into e-sports and enjoy a toxic cesspool - go for it. I'll say no thanks. FFXIV has in fact replaced every other MMO for me, except on rare occasion SWTOR. WoW I haven't played in over 2 years, GW2 even longer. (Oh, and FFXIV is much more than a "side game." I'll take an engaging story, fun gameplay, and amazing music any day.)

So you think of him reminding you of when he was a better character in the previous expansion?

What are you talking about? All the things Ikara mentioned are from EW, where I find he's just as good a character...

[IkaraGreydancer]

So you think of him reminding you of when he was a better character in the previous expansion? And he exists as a tool to call back to that rather than being engaging in the moment? I mean fair enough almost all the scions kinda fall into that trap even in the good expansions. But fact of the matter is, that scene exists solely to make you go "MEMBR THE EXARCH?" Nothing about the Final Days or the 2nd half of end walker even has an impact on Eorzea as a whole. hell even going through it the only place that even seems to have been remotely effective was Thavnair. If you removed this scene in question the plot literally would not change, at all. Hence why EW Graha is just baggage.

But no I don't view that as a real ambition, "I wanna hang out with the WOL!!" isn't an engaging story arc for a character. I guess I prefer characters with their own agency and personality, and less of a peanut gallery to try to make our character look cooler.

But then again a lot of the scions are falling under the "my character arc completed ages ago I'm just here to cheer u on" crowd, the writers just don't write off characters anymore because they're too marketable.

That scene solely exists just to say remember the exarch...
Nah it couldn't be a case of him being serious when the situation absolutely calls for it. Nah its just ShB nostalgia bait...You claim the plot won't change if you remove the scene I can factually say thats wrong. Or did you forget that Thavs leader changed due to those events. That was a turning point for the people now that Vrtra has now revealed himself to his people. That alone set up much when it comes to that area. Not to mention that scene showed us just how serious this thing can get and how easy it can spread. Come on now...

Again you don't pay attention. "I want to hang with WoL" is his character arc. Does he not have his own agency and personality? Who is he acting like if he doesn't have his own personality hm? Peanut Gallery is usually a term used for someone being stupid which I've yet to see from Graha. In fact I challenge you to count how many lines of dialongue is him just praising us and how many aren't. I'd be willing to bet my account that the later is what actually happens more.

Lastly, point to me a Scion who hasn't helped in the story and is still around. And then find out how much of their dialogue is just praise and and how much isn't. If you want to make these claims that they're just cheerleaders now I'd like to see some numbers backing these claims.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

-- "I wanna hang out with the WOL!!" isn't an engaging story arc for a character.
-- the writers just don't write off characters anymore because they're too marketable.

--Thats not even his Arc.... its I want to go on an Adventure. Because if you somehow forgot, he didnt have a Chance at one. He wasnt able to do anything Fun as the Exarch, he wasnt able to live his life. He was to busy Trying to save the world / The 1st. He wanted to do more. And with the WoL and the Scions, he finally can.
And once again, Personality and Agency...you mean like all of the game? Or are you to busy hating him to ever notice any time he did anything other then the Burger Scene?
--Please, instead of just saying it, provide Proof that he was Marketed. When was he "Marketable"?

[caffe_macchiato]

So, your complaint is "it should be brought down a notch" purely because you're not the target audience for it, and you're pathetically bitter that other people who are the target audience are having a lot of fun? That's sad. I can't think of anyone who says FFXIV is the best at "everything." As you mentioned, it's the current best Casual MMO. WoW? If you're into e-sports and enjoy a toxic cesspool - go for it. I'll say no thanks. FFXIV has in fact replaced every other MMO for me, except on rare occasion SWTOR. WoW I haven't played in over 2 years, GW2 even longer. (Oh, and FFXIV is much more than a "side game." I'll take an engaging story, fun gameplay, and amazing music any day.)

This reads less like a factual rebuttal and more like someone's personality got attacked.

FFXIV is not a personality. It's a video game. It's good for some people and not for others. You want FFXIV to be the end-all, the final statement in video gaming, the last testament to mankind's creative impulse that everyone rallies around because you personally like it. It's not. It's a video game.

[Raven2014]

Do you think Haurchefant would be memorable as a character, if he had survived Heavensward, and was in all of Stormblood being the comic relief and your personal cheerleader with no will or ambitions of his own?
Of course he wouldn't, he'd be some annoying tag along meant to make the WoL look cooler.

Instead, he had one of the most meaningless death in the game that serve no purpose whatsover than a cheap device to give some one time impact, not even to the story, but purely just onscreen. Hell, they didn't bother to create a valid scenario for him to die. It's the sort of death you see a dime in a dozen in Hollywood B-rated movies or generic RPG. Whatever little development these type of character may have, they always exist little beyond a cattle being fatten by the writer for the inevitable slaughter.


Look at some of the best classical work in entertainment that truly stand the test of time for example:

- Lord of the ring: still regarded as unmatched cinematic work and story telling after 20 years. The entire main cast survive (the fellowship), and the only noticeable support character who died was Theoden whose death actually serve a purpose in story telling.
- Starwars original trilogy: still regard as the best Starwars story. Did it need anyone dying? No.

Comparing to the derivative works you see these days like Game of Throne who kill off characters so fast you don't bother remembering their name. Or the mess that was the Starwars Extended Universe that laden with tragedies it makes you think the fandom are a bunch of people who suffer permanent depression. The fact that FF14 story had stopped relying on killing people left and right for impact like it's used to in 2.0 and 3.0 shows how far the writing had come.


So no, I'm glad Gahara is still alive. There will be moment he annoys you, but as long as he alive, his character will have a chance to shine, and shine again. While it's fair someone may not find his EW's involvement interesting, few would argue how great the Crystal Exalt was. And we wouldn't have the Crystal Exalt if he just died in 2.0, and the writers killed A LOT of NPC back then.