Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[Themarvin]

I lead a raiding static, we are doing TOP and got to phase 3. Alt character for anonymity purposes

Recently a member streamed and showed himself using a zoomhack, so I swiftly and immediately kicked him from the static, reported him and blocked him.

Yet now after 3 days trying to find a replacement, some members of the static started arguing with me and 2 of them left.

They say that it was petty of me to eff over the progress of 6 other people just to get rid of a cheater.

They say that it's okay that he cheats because he kept to himself and never talked about it.

My other raiding friends also told me what I did was a really bad idea.

So now the group that was going so well is breaking apart and it's my fault, however I don't think I did anything wrong, cheating is forbidden by the ToS.

First off it is not ok if he cheats because if taken in it and you guys was in the group it will in short backfire back on everyone who took or benefitted from it, knowing it or not knowing it.

[Saraide]

If they were streaming and using mods at the same time they are just asking to get banned. We and SE don't want to have to create content with the mindset that players will need to use mods in order to complete the content. Normalizing the use of mods is bad. Cosmetic mods are widely accepted because they have no bearing on the design team at SE and how they create content. If the goal of the SE team is to make difficult content but the content they create is too easy because of mods then it becomes a problem. Forcing players to use mods is a way of gatekeeping new players. It creates a barrier of entry in the learning process that is not good. Creating fights around mods is a terrible design decision. Mods are in the hands of creators outside of SE so you have no control over what they can or cannot do. Fights in the future may become impossible if the mod loses support. It also becomes really hard to argue what is acceptable to not acceptable, eventually leading to mods that actually do play the game for you. This all is the reason for the no tolerance policy on mods. They can't really stop you unless you publicize your use of it but to keep the game in a desirable state they have to try.

If your friends don't understand this and think it's harmless then that is on them. I would just point out that if they want to keep pushing the issue you could report his/her stream. It also sounds like more happened than OP let on. To ban/block without any kind of request doesn't sound like something someone does to a friend they have been playing with for awhile.

Wait wait wait why dont cosmetic mods have no bearing on what SE designs? They literally sell outfits and mounts.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

Wait wait wait why dont cosmetic mods have no bearing on what SE designs? They literally sell outfits and mounts.

They don't create outfits and mounts with your mods in mind at all. They are making those regardless.

[Ath192]

Do I really need to write it into rules "don't cheat"? Do I also have to have a rule saying "don't be racist" or "don't try to hit on the women in the static"?

Yeah, you absolutely need to write into the rules "No third party tools, zero tolerance". These are common enough that this information would in fact be necessary for many people to decide to join your raid group or not. They are against ToS but if you read the room that is FFXIV their use is extremely widespread. So much so, that in any given PUG group in savage you can pretty much be certain at least one person is using something. Be it a parser or a cosmetic mod. Same with statics I'd wager.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Yeah, you absolutely need to write into the rules "No third party tools, zero tolerance". These are common enough that this information would in fact be necessary for many people to decide to join your raid group or not. They are against ToS but if you read the room that is FFXIV their use is extremely widespread. So much so, that in any given PUG group in savage you can pretty much be certain at least one person is using something. Be it a parser or a cosmetic mod. Same with statics I'd wager.

Hopefully this is the lesson learned from this.

Being clear about rules in advance will save a lot of headache, and investing in team members who aren't a fit.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

People keep sayi g it doesn't effect others. I'm pretty sure the use of third party tools in ultimate directly contributed to me not being able to place or remove markers in combat now.

[Saraide]

They don't create outfits and mounts with your mods in mind at all. They are making those regardless.

The exact same logic applies to raids.

[Azuri]

People keep sayi g it doesn't effect others. I'm pretty sure the use of third party tools in ultimate directly contributed to me not being able to place or remove markers in combat now.

This and other delusions from people who have zero clue what third party tools can and cannot do.

And while we are on the topic, yes, placing markers in combat did indeed help clear an ultimate. It was done manually, though.

[Atelier-Bagur]

......Hey OP so uh, did you find the advice you were looking for after reading all of this?

[Ath192]

People keep sayi g it doesn't effect others. I'm pretty sure the use of third party tools in ultimate directly contributed to me not being able to place or remove markers in combat now.

It does affect others, in as much negative as positive. I'm pretty sure third party tools contributed to you being able to see how much time buffs/debuffs people have left in your party window.

I'm not exactly for them, but the reason they are so widespread is because the category third party tools is too general a description to imply a completely negative or a positive thing. I've seen some texture packs for FFXI, a 20 year old game, that if I were to play the game today I would consider almost essential being in a 4k monitor. And those things likely contribute to the life of XI, which wouldn't be online today if it were no longer making a profit for SE.