Just like FFXI, make all Artifact armor wearable by all classes

[Deveryn]

B: The glamour system (which did not exist at release, but was bolted on later) really is hard-wired to the equip system and cannot be unlocked. The only way to ever unlock things is through all-class replicas.

I find myself repeating this a lot in these threads. Someone else inevitably refers to how they attempted to copy WoW's transmog, but that failed.

Some people seem to think the solution is to make gear all class. That would just make a mess of things. One need look no further than ARR and the gear that exists down there. Many have seen people wearing gear with incorrect stats. It would also cause a problem with looting as you would likely have people needing on gear they can't even use for combat.

[Skivvy]

I find myself repeating this a lot in these threads. Someone else inevitably refers to how they attempted to copy WoW's transmog, but that failed.

Some people seem to think the solution is to make gear all class. That would just make a mess of things. One need look no further than ARR and the gear that exists down there. Many have seen people wearing gear with incorrect stats. It would also cause a problem with looting as you would likely have people needing on gear they can't even use for combat.

All-class gear is simply referring to the replicas that get added as a level one glam piece. I don't think I've seen anyone, across all these threads, suggest that the gear itself become functional stat-gear for all classes. We're talking glams.

With XI, all the gear becomes usable as glamour only once you can equip it normally. So as mentioned earlier, in order to use a level 90 PLD body piece as glamour for any job, you have to have your PLD at level 90 first. The gear itself isn't changing. It still retains the stats and role restrictions if you want to equip it as gear, but it's now usuable as a glam piece.

For a visual, this is my THF in XI:


The squares show the gear that I actually have equipped for stats on my THF, which are all pieces that are for that job (e.g. the pillager's cullotes which are being shown), but I'm sporting a WHM glam. The list of items to the right shows all the items my THF can equip for stats/actual gear in white, while the grey items are for other jobs. However, if I wanted to, I could glam any of those grey pieces since I have all the jobs they are for leveled to the appropriate levels.

Now, can that system actually be coded into XIV? Who knows. But you seemed to be arguing against a point that no one asked for, so figured some clarification might help.

[Midareyukki]

Now, can that system actually be coded into XIV? Who knows.

My only question at that point is less "can it be coded into XIV" and more "what would it break".

Because theoretically you can add this into the game, it's really not rocket science. At least, not in comparison to several other things people want. But several features also looked simple enough, but then they broke something along the line.

Maybe the lock in FF14 is in how gear is designed? Like, originally it was all designed with a lock as a property and now changing it might cause awkward issues that the dev team doesn't want to deal with?

Square had to duplicate items just to make them available for everyone. Not just gear, even, actual customization options needed a whole new body part to fit (Hyurs with their SHB beard). So maybe something about how the game is designed is being an obstacle. And I know what people can say: "Third party tools do this", but they bypass certain things that Square likely knows they themselves can't bypass without causing issues? So... maybe that's why?

[Skivvy]

My only question at that point is less "can it be coded into XIV" and more "what would it break".

Because theoretically you can add this into the game, it's really not rocket science. At least, not in comparison to several other things people want. But several features also looked simple enough, but then they broke something along the line.

Maybe the lock in FF14 is in how gear is designed? Like, originally it was all designed with a lock as a property and now changing it might cause awkward issues that the dev team doesn't want to deal with?

Square had to duplicate items just to make them available for everyone. Not just gear, even, actual customization options needed a whole new body part to fit (Hyurs with their SHB beard). So maybe something about how the game is designed is being an obstacle. And I know what people can say: "Third party tools do this", but they bypass certain things that Square likely knows they themselves can't bypass without causing issues? So... maybe that's why?

True dat. To be honest, I have rather low expectations when it comes to XIV and how things are implemented in this game. It seems like they have good ideas, but then the actual implementation quite often turns into some convoluted mess. Whether that's due to the game's coding, time/money/skill restraints, or maybe just even poor judgement, that's anyone's guess...but yeah..years of that has just left me not expecting much. :X Still have certain things I would love to see in game, but I'm not holding my breath over here.

[Deveryn]

All-class gear is simply referring to the replicas that get added as a level one glam piece. I don't think I've seen anyone, across all these threads, suggest that the gear itself become functional stat-gear for all classes. We're talking glams.

I know we're talking glams, but I don't think people realize what it is they're asking for. The way they carry on about it, it makes it sound like they want the functional stat gear to have the job restrictions removed. Just look at the title of this thread: "Make all artifact armor wearable by all classes" Gear and glams are one and the same in this game. Our system clearly works by pulling the whole item for appearance. The existence of replica gear suggests that this is the only way to allow all jobs to use other appearances in this game. People keep insisting that something can be done and this is the only logical conclusion I can come to that they want to just have gear be unrestricted. Maybe I've been reading it wrong, but again, I feel like people don't know enough to really speak properly on what it is they want.

With XI, all the gear becomes usable as glamour only once you can equip it normally. So as mentioned earlier, in order to use a level 90 PLD body piece as glamour for any job, you have to have your PLD at level 90 first. The gear itself isn't changing. It still retains the stats and role restrictions if you want to equip it as gear, but it's now usuable as a glam piece.

This is all well and good, but the problem is that just because something works on one system, it doesn't mean it'll work in another.

. And I know what people can say: "Third party tools do this", but they bypass certain things that Square likely knows they themselves can't bypass without causing issues? So... maybe that's why?

My understanding with this is an item gets replaced (likely a low level all class item with a shabby look), so you have Ash Pattens being reskinned as Air Jordans.

[LordMcMutton]

the only logical conclusion I can come to that they want to just have gear be unrestricted. Maybe I've been reading it wrong, but again, I feel like people don't know enough to really speak properly on what it is they want.

This and the general glamour discussion are only talking about glamour, itself. Nobody is wanting classes to be able to wear other classes' gear, just that they allow us to glamour any other classes' gear.

Just to clarify, since you aren't sure.

[Deveryn]

This and the general glamour discussion are only talking about glamour, itself. Nobody is wanting classes to be able to wear other classes' gear, just that they allow us to glamour any other classes' gear.

Just to clarify, since you aren't sure.

And I'm saying there's no distinction for this in the game. It's unlikely that there could be, otherwise they would've done it, rather than make all those replicas / all job items.

[LordMcMutton]

That's why I keep bringing up the Fitting Room, given that it's a system that exists within the game that allows for equipment to be worn by a character model regardless of its restrictions

Another thing that gets brought up and has merit is the fact that NPCs can wear any equipment despite class restrictions.

The existence of these systems in the game means that it is, indeed, possible.

Unfortunately, the Replica item route is a dead end, since they never made any more.

[Iscah]

That's why I keep bringing up the Fitting Room, given that it's a system that exists within the game that allows for equipment to be worn by a character model regardless of its restrictions

Another thing that gets brought up and has merit is the fact that NPCs can wear any equipment despite class restrictions.

That tells us that they don't check for class compatibility in contexts where gear stats don't matter. Imagine what a pain the fitting room would be if you could only try on gear that you can currently equip! It's necessary to ignore compatibility there, but then you never get to fight anything while dressed in what you saved to that window, so it's not an issue there.

As for NPCs, I'm not certain but I remember reading somewhere that they are handled in an entirely different way, so that if they are used in battle, their visible gear has no bearing on their actual stats.

So those situations aren't proof that they can disconnect equippability from glamourability for players, let alone do so selectively if they want to keep some things restricted.