Just like FFXI, make all Artifact armor wearable by all classes

[True-to-Caesar]

When you have no arguments left, attack the individual to belittle their reasoning, a pathetic attempt to make it void and shut the debate because you have nothing to argue against it besides a selfish reason.

Like hunted animals, very predictable.

« muh job fantasy, SE will never betray us fools! »

Meanwhile in Square Enix’s cash shop



Like, facts right in front of you and still in denial. It’s actually impressive to see people who can’t even admit their argument is contradicted by everything your SE does.

I wonder what’s next.

[ZephyrMenodora]

When you have no arguments left, attack the individual to belittle their reasoning, a pathetic attempt to make it void and shut the debate because you have nothing to argue against it besides a selfish reason.

Like hunted animals, very predictable.

« muh job fantasy, SE will never betray us fools! »

Meanwhile in Square Enix’s cash shop



Like, facts right in front of you and still in denial. It’s actually impressive to see people who can’t even admit their argument is contradicted by everything your SE does.

I wonder what’s next.

You found yet another argument that has nothing to do with the decision by the devs to keep artifact armor exclusive. It’s almost impressive how you can barge in with anything but the topic and talk like you had an epiphany.

In case it’s hard to understand, which I guess it is for some, this isn’t about forcing jobs to only dress in iconic armors. We already know there are tons of glamours that let people dress however. It’s about keeping some small amount of gear unique to the job it was created for.

[True-to-Caesar]

You found yet another argument that has nothing to do with the decision by the devs to keep artifact armor exclusive. It’s almost impressive how you can barge in with anything but the topic and talk like you had an epiphany.

In case it’s hard to understand, which I guess it is for some, this isn’t about forcing jobs to only dress in iconic armors. We already know there are tons of glamours that let people dress however. It’s about keeping some small amount of gear unique to the job it was created for.

But do you understand WHY they don’t remove glamour restrictions ? Not only iconic sets but by category (fending, striking etc.).

« Job identity », I ask yet again, where is it now ?

I wouldn’t mind much if they still keep iconic gear as they are (yet you can find gear sets that are very close to job artefact sets, so even that isn’t set in stone), but bloody hell free up the rest. Everything they do contradicts this stance on so called job identity.

[ZephyrMenodora]

But do you understand WHY they don’t remove glamour restrictions ? Not only iconic sets but by category (fending, striking etc.).

«*Job identity*», I ask yet again, where is it now ?

Yes, but you clearly don’t. Lol

[Iscah]

But do you understand WHY they don’t remove glamour restrictions ? Not only iconic sets but by category (fending, striking etc.).

It's all just speculatory, but as I've said in previous threads (because this forum keeps staging the same ten conversations over and over) – starting from the assumption "they must have a reason for keeping everything locked even though the current system doesn't preserve class identity" and I think the most logical scenario is that they want to keep some things class-locked, and either:

A: They do have the power to unlock absolutely everything by turning off the "can you equip this?" check, but don't have the power to selectively keep some things locked down in that case. So if they want to keep artifact gear sacred, then everything else has to be locked down with it.

B: The glamour system (which did not exist at release, but was bolted on later) really is hard-wired to the equip system and cannot be unlocked. The only way to ever unlock things is through all-class replicas.

It's clearly not as simple as them being fine with everything except artifact gear, because they still release things like the PVP sets that are level 1 glamour and still role-locked. And while they do sometimes recycle role-locked sets to new roles, they don't do it for everything, and the more "role identified" they look, the less likely they are to be shuffled.

I do wonder whether it's one person consistently making decisions or if they have had a string of people in the role, each making their own choice about how lenient or strict to be about it.

And then you have glamour gear, which is its own thing again. Do they make it "level 1 all classes" because they're happy about people wearing battle-inappropriate gear into battle, or because they expect it to be used in casual gear situations, and locking it to a specific class wouldn't make sense for (say) only letting you wear your bikini on the beach if you've unlocked dancer class, or something convoluted like that. So it logically has to be level 1, and the no-fine-tuning glamour system means they can't stop you from wearing it elsewhere.

[Deveryn]

B: The glamour system (which did not exist at release, but was bolted on later) really is hard-wired to the equip system and cannot be unlocked. The only way to ever unlock things is through all-class replicas.

I find myself repeating this a lot in these threads. Someone else inevitably refers to how they attempted to copy WoW's transmog, but that failed.

Some people seem to think the solution is to make gear all class. That would just make a mess of things. One need look no further than ARR and the gear that exists down there. Many have seen people wearing gear with incorrect stats. It would also cause a problem with looting as you would likely have people needing on gear they can't even use for combat.

[Skivvy]

I find myself repeating this a lot in these threads. Someone else inevitably refers to how they attempted to copy WoW's transmog, but that failed.

Some people seem to think the solution is to make gear all class. That would just make a mess of things. One need look no further than ARR and the gear that exists down there. Many have seen people wearing gear with incorrect stats. It would also cause a problem with looting as you would likely have people needing on gear they can't even use for combat.

All-class gear is simply referring to the replicas that get added as a level one glam piece. I don't think I've seen anyone, across all these threads, suggest that the gear itself become functional stat-gear for all classes. We're talking glams.

With XI, all the gear becomes usable as glamour only once you can equip it normally. So as mentioned earlier, in order to use a level 90 PLD body piece as glamour for any job, you have to have your PLD at level 90 first. The gear itself isn't changing. It still retains the stats and role restrictions if you want to equip it as gear, but it's now usuable as a glam piece.

For a visual, this is my THF in XI:


The squares show the gear that I actually have equipped for stats on my THF, which are all pieces that are for that job (e.g. the pillager's cullotes which are being shown), but I'm sporting a WHM glam. The list of items to the right shows all the items my THF can equip for stats/actual gear in white, while the grey items are for other jobs. However, if I wanted to, I could glam any of those grey pieces since I have all the jobs they are for leveled to the appropriate levels.

Now, can that system actually be coded into XIV? Who knows. But you seemed to be arguing against a point that no one asked for, so figured some clarification might help.

[Midareyukki]

Now, can that system actually be coded into XIV? Who knows.

My only question at that point is less "can it be coded into XIV" and more "what would it break".

Because theoretically you can add this into the game, it's really not rocket science. At least, not in comparison to several other things people want. But several features also looked simple enough, but then they broke something along the line.

Maybe the lock in FF14 is in how gear is designed? Like, originally it was all designed with a lock as a property and now changing it might cause awkward issues that the dev team doesn't want to deal with?

Square had to duplicate items just to make them available for everyone. Not just gear, even, actual customization options needed a whole new body part to fit (Hyurs with their SHB beard). So maybe something about how the game is designed is being an obstacle. And I know what people can say: "Third party tools do this", but they bypass certain things that Square likely knows they themselves can't bypass without causing issues? So... maybe that's why?

[Deveryn]

All-class gear is simply referring to the replicas that get added as a level one glam piece. I don't think I've seen anyone, across all these threads, suggest that the gear itself become functional stat-gear for all classes. We're talking glams.

I know we're talking glams, but I don't think people realize what it is they're asking for. The way they carry on about it, it makes it sound like they want the functional stat gear to have the job restrictions removed. Just look at the title of this thread: "Make all artifact armor wearable by all classes" Gear and glams are one and the same in this game. Our system clearly works by pulling the whole item for appearance. The existence of replica gear suggests that this is the only way to allow all jobs to use other appearances in this game. People keep insisting that something can be done and this is the only logical conclusion I can come to that they want to just have gear be unrestricted. Maybe I've been reading it wrong, but again, I feel like people don't know enough to really speak properly on what it is they want.

With XI, all the gear becomes usable as glamour only once you can equip it normally. So as mentioned earlier, in order to use a level 90 PLD body piece as glamour for any job, you have to have your PLD at level 90 first. The gear itself isn't changing. It still retains the stats and role restrictions if you want to equip it as gear, but it's now usuable as a glam piece.

This is all well and good, but the problem is that just because something works on one system, it doesn't mean it'll work in another.

. And I know what people can say: "Third party tools do this", but they bypass certain things that Square likely knows they themselves can't bypass without causing issues? So... maybe that's why?

My understanding with this is an item gets replaced (likely a low level all class item with a shabby look), so you have Ash Pattens being reskinned as Air Jordans.

[Deveryn]

When you have no arguments left, attack the individual to belittle their reasoning, a pathetic attempt to make it void and shut the debate because you have nothing to argue against it besides a selfish reason.

Like hunted animals, very predictable.

« muh job fantasy, SE will never betray us fools! »

Meanwhile in Square Enix’s cash shop



Like, facts right in front of you and still in denial. It’s actually impressive to see people who can’t even admit their argument is contradicted by everything your SE does.

I wonder what’s next.

What facts and what denial? If you had any of the other jobs wielding that, then you'd have an argument. It's not outside the realm of possibility for any of those jobs to wield something that looks like that.

Gaia's story isn't over yet and they're reminding us of that.