What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Fiel_Tana]

Hydaelyn/Venat is meant to be a grey ally. Not evil villain, not hero who did no wrong. I think the portrayals of her as either pure good or pure evil are ignoring good chunks of her character.

Yet the game declares her a "Herois" and gives our WoL no chance to question her or what she did after we learnt how the final days actually came about.

They may have meant to make her morally grey (and tbh, I'm not sure what their intentions were), but it's one of the many cases in EW where what is shown (events in game) is not what is told (by NPC's or our own WoL). That's where the disconnect many of us are feeling comes from regarding that character.

[Graeham]

So, here we have a very pretty young woman approaching a lonely scholar who she has no interest in personally and revealing her face to him. The fact that she only seemed to visit the Watcher on occasions when she needed something, made her come across as either scheming or completely insensitive to his feelings, neither of which is a good look. The watcher is clearly smitten by Venat both for her intellect and her looks, but I felt that if he'd had any close friends (which doesn't seem to be the case), they'd have been trying to alert him to the fact that he was being used.

Is the good point. In traditional masculine No Shadow God society is responsible of female chara to hide the sexuality with the mask and sack cloth to stop the accident seducing of the male chara. Otherwise is overcome by the lust and chara he can not think. Is the sneaky trick of the Miranda. Venar by take off the mask is deliberate to tempting the male into sin. It is truth in the theocracy of No Shadow God.

Yet the game declares her a "Herois" and gives our WoL no chance to question her or what she did after we learnt how the final days actually came about.

We can not stand it. They call her herois. HeRoIs. What is word herois mean. Why is ghost writer use hard word from other language. Where is guild google translator.

[Heroman3003]

Yet the game declares her a "Herois" and gives our WoL no chance to question her or what she did after we learnt how the final days actually came about.

They may have meant to make her morally grey (and tbh, I'm not sure what their intentions were), but it's one of the many cases in EW where what is shown (events in game) is not what is told (by NPC's or our own WoL). That's where the disconnect many of us are feeling comes from regarding that character.

The game doesn't give us chance to question many characters. The only times we can actively ask things is when its relevant to immedeate plot, not some grander scheme of things. As for Herois, idk, I never pay mind to spoiler minion names as something relevant. Might as well be referring to her past Azem role. I don't think that part is attempt of agenda-pushing. As for disconnect, it is expected and is only natural because what is shown is shown from neutral perspective of "player looks at what happens", and what is told is told from perspective of one, clear, biased side for which there is a good and a bad that may not be entirely moral in grander cosmic scheme.

I simply feel like pointing out that any interpretation of Venat that paints her as purely heroic or purely villanous is contradictory to what we *see* in the game regarding her and Hydaelyn, and same applies to Hermes and to character who stands right on same level as those two, but does not get that level of critique because he was lucky enough to be game's first proper tumblr sexyman and first well-written and well-explored villain - Emet Selch.

[AwesomeJr44]

The game doesn't give us chance to question many characters.

This is not necessarily a good thing.

[Heroman3003]

This is not necessarily a good thing.

It's not, I agree. But it is a fact of the writing, and I dont think its fair to leverage that as example of 'proof' of bias towards/against certain characters precisely because of it.