What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[BRVV]

Please stop making assumptions and pulling quotes from posts at different points in time without regard.

The oldest post of you was less than 25 hours old... should i always assume you don't hold the beliefs from more than 15 minutes ago?

I disagree because Ancients are basically gods (imo)

That's like your opinion man. Is that why it's okay if they get shattered?

Headcanon is believing there was some other way.

Venat: There was no other way. Source: Trust me.
I already said i don't trust just what any character says.

Umm yes.

Too bad all those other people that died in wars are not important enough to do a time travel for. Or the other victims of Endsinger. Why stop the threat and save the world? Only care about yourself! (The scion's way)

Whataboutism

If your precious Venat would have said that the people of Doma need to be killed you wouldn't question it i guess.

Strawman try reading the sentence again.

I actually think with this is I don't have anything else to say.

You mean reread that masterpiece of english literature? Is that even a sentence?


You remind me a lot of Ren. Is it a coincidence that you started posting here more soon after he stopped?

Do you believe they will come back and revisit this (Venat, Ascians, Twelve) at all? It seems like they have closed everything off, almost to be shelved and forgotten about, as they move on with expansions. I suppose they could always dredge them back up, if they feel like new content is drifting.

Isn't it a new writer? I would stay the hell away from any of this.

[Turtledeluxe]

The oldest post of you was less than 25 hours old... should i always assume you don't hold the beliefs from more than 15 minutes ago?

Yes. Because you have no idea when someone started playing the game or what Live Letters they've seen. We're discussing the lore of a 10 year old game. I honestly didn't even know what a Live Letter was until the DawnTrail marketing started ramping up because I started the game when EW was launching and I just don't follow the game that way. I prefer the details of the game to be in the game.

That's like your opinion man. Is that why it's okay if they get shattered?

Yes. They are a fantasy version of humans-- they are not humans. They are humanoid. When they are sundered, they become what we can equate to be IRL humans. I don't get upset about mythology in XIV the same way I don't get upset about it IRL.

I already said i don't trust just what any character says.

I'd understand this if the writer was giving us some reason to believe Venat is crazy or lying when we actually interact with her, but there's no evidence of this. In fact it's the opposite, since she's known to be honest and impartial.

Too bad all those other people that died in wars

What are even arguing? That the story should progress without regard to whether or not the WoL lives?

If your precious Venat would have said

Huh?

You mean reread that masterpiece of english literature? Is that even a sentence?
You remind me a lot of Ren.

You remind me of someone who can't read that statement and understand what it says. Not sure who Ren is. Are you done? Like seriously, it's boring. Go ahead grab your last word you so desperately need. If you don't like how I responded to your post, don't be so condescending in the first place. You are not going to get me to stop posting when I want and what I want. Thanks though! Be sure to tag the vultures.

And honestly I would've been ok with a story about Zodiark striking down Hydaelyn as long as it doesn't result in all of the Ancients getting tempered (that would be boring). But FFXIV is not about that. In fact maybe the writers can write a story for you "He won!!!" and investigate it as some kind of alternative timeline so She can't hurt you anymore.

[Boblawblah]

Hey, it sounds like everyone here could use a bit of positivity.

[Cach]

So would people be more upset if we make "Whats the point with that quite lackluster story in Dawntrail" or we just keep adding to this one?

[Absimiliard]

So would people be more upset if we make "Whats the point with that quite lackluster story in Dawntrail" or we just keep adding to this one?

That's already been done twice. The GMs killed it both times.

[Theodric]

So would people be more upset if we make "Whats the point with that quite lackluster story in Dawntrail" or we just keep adding to this one?

Two different individuals already tried to pre-emptively create one, actually. One of them was deleted, the other is still around but didn't pick up traction.

I don't think there will be any major criticism towards Dawntrail. All signs point to it being a rather low stakes, sanitised affair. Endwalker is particularly controversial since it took many different story arcs built up over time and then tried to awkwardly conclude them all at once.

It's not a great situation for a game that actively brags about being 'story driven' but it is what it is.

As you're SO fond of saying "You're free to not engage with posts that you don't like"

I just love Venat, and I thought that people who are angry might feel better if they see her as well. I didn't mean to make you angry, I apologize for that. But you're right, I'll switch it up

Your concern is appreciated and I do think Venat looks a lot better in that particular gif.

Though I do not get the impression that anyone posting in this thread is angry. It's simply a debate about a video game story, after all.

My curiosity remains, though - do you have anything to bring to the table that is relevant to the thread's premise? What aspects of Endwalker did you not enjoy or believe could have handled better?

[Cach]

Two different individuals already tried to pre-emptively create one, actually. One of them was deleted, the other is still around but didn't pick up traction.

I imagine they were just bait/shtposting. I meant it in a slightly serious way, once the expansion is out and done with. I'm not fond on leaving this subforum.

I'm still stuck around 6.4 and haven't done the last raid tier or the 24man, due mostly to lack of motivation.

I hope this weekend leaves me optimistic for the future.

[Theodric]

I imagine they were just bait/shtposting. I meant it in a slightly serious way, once the expansion is out and done with. I'm not fond on leaving this subforum.

I'm still stuck around 6.4 and haven't done the last raid tier or the 24man, due mostly to lack of motivation.

I hope this weekend leaves me optimistic for the future.

I'd say this sub-forum is the best of the lot, in all honesty. So I don't blame you.

I'm mostly curious to see if every new zone is going to be in Tural or if they'll do another expansion split that takes place elsewhere. If they can capture the vibes of the Ys games in terms of exploring an unfamiliar region then it might just manage to retain my interest.

I'm curious about the new jobs at least and somewhat excited about the graphical update - especially if they finally fix the issue of Highlander men lacking authentic eyebrows.

I doubt I'll ever treat the game as anything other than a backup option, especially if its competitors dangle a more intriguing premise for their upcoming expansions. I've made my peace with the idea that MMO's are too unreliable to commit to on an exclusive basis. Even if the story isn't mishandled there's the issue of content droughts and friends burning out/taking their leave altogether.

To say nothing of the fact that non-MMO games often loom on the horizon. I'm looking forward to Dragon's Dogma 2, Tekken 8 and FFVIIR: Rebirth.

[Boblawblah]

Your concern is appreciated and I do think Venat looks a lot better in that particular gif.

Though I do not get the impression that anyone posting in this thread is angry. It's simply a debate about a video game story, after all.

My curiosity remains, though - do you have anything to bring to the table that is relevant to the thread's premise? What aspects of Endwalker did you not enjoy or believe could have handled better?

I honestly do hope you find a game you enjoy more, but if this game is still worth your sub money (which it currently is, you're here), then that's cool too.

There are a ton of things I didn't particularly like about Endwalker. But the reality is this thread is simply 800+ pages of "I like garlemald and ancients, I don't like Venat". The problem with that train of thought is SE doesn't care. Venat is good. Emet and company were tragic, but ultimately wrong in their actions. Why? Because the writers say so. I can write all the fan fiction I want about how it 'should' have gone, but that's all it is, fan fiction. At the end of the day you're playing in SE's sandbox, and I've come to grips with that, despite my dislike of a lot of their decisions.

[Absimiliard]

I honestly do hope you find a game you enjoy more, but if this game is still worth your sub money (which it currently is, you're here), then that's cool too.

There are a ton of things I didn't particularly like about Endwalker. But the reality is this thread is simply 800+ pages of "I like garlemald and ancients, I don't like Venat". The problem with that train of thought is SE doesn't care. Venat is good. Emet and company were tragic, but ultimately wrong in their actions. Why? Because the writers say so. I can write all the fan fiction I want about how it 'should' have gone, but that's all it is, fan fiction. At the end of the day you're playing in SE's sandbox, and I've come to grips with that, despite my dislike of a lot of their decisions.

Except for the part where a fair portion of the criticism is focused on how much of the story simply can't stand up to scrutiny, Venat being but a single part of that. A part that keeps getting talked about specifically because it represents one of the the most recent and flagrant symptoms of the writers relying so hard on feels to carry the story as to largely disregard reason and logic. Saying they didn't expect people to think so deeply about it is a copout. They're well aware this is a story-focused game first and foremost. They should fully expect its players to analyze the story up, down, left, right, and center.

I, and I think a lot of other people, don't care about Venat in the sense people seem to think. I don't really care about the ancients overly much either, although I did find their part in the story to be one of its highlights. I'd be lying if I said I give a damn about Emet-Selch outside of having found him a highly entertaining change of pace from the villains we usually see served up in fiction these days. What I do care about is things making sense. They at present do not. I'm quite confident I am far from the only person with this mindset.

As I've said before; you want me to think X thing about a character, location, event, object, etc., you show me that thing. You don't tell me that thing then show me the exact opposite. The writers have been pretty hit or miss on this for a while now, in my opinion.