Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

[Absimiliard]

these entitled western people don't really care as long as they get what they want. It's just a game right? Who cares how other people get their prestige right? Who cares about how the game world itself feels right? Mindless self indulgence is all you care about and it's pathetic. Ban all of you.

You uh... you do know the team that got busted using the zoom crap was Japanese, right? Not a single westerner among them.

But yes, correct. Who cares how other people play the game? Who cares how the "game world" feels? You could be grouped with somebody using a third-party tool at any time, and you would never be any the wiser unless they told you. It doesn't affect you. If you want to live in paranoia about the big mean parsing boogeyman living under your bed, that's your choice.

[HikariKurosawa]

You uh... you do know the team that got busted using the zoom crap was Japanese, right? Not a single westerner among them.

But yes, correct. Who cares how other people play the game? Who cares how the "game world" feels? You could be grouped with somebody using a third-party tool at any time, and you would never be any the wiser unless they told you. It doesn't affect you. If you want to live in paranoia about the big mean parsing boogeyman living under your bed, that's your choice.

Are you going to tell me when I ask "Is anyone using act or other third party addons? I want to clear content without any cheating. Please respect my fair play and either tell me or leave" Would you leave? Or would you silently ruin my experience? I'm none the wiser right? You're actually a bad person for this perspective you know? How does it feel to live life as a bad human?

Let's be clear too, there is no paranoia or fear. Just pure judgment and feelings of being so much better than you in every way that counts.

[Absimiliard]

Are you going to tell me when I ask "Is anyone using act or other third party addons? I want to clear content without any cheating. Please respect my fair play and either tell me or leave" Would you leave? Or would you silently ruin my experience? I'm none the wiser right? You're actually a bad person for this perspective you know? How does it feel to live life as a bad human?

Translation: "I'm going to assume everyone I group with, as well as everyone saying anything at all I don't agree with, are running third-party tools and/or have modified their game files."

To put it bluntly, I don't care about your experience. I play the game for me. I raid for me. I'll go out of my way to make sure friends of mine have fun, and I'll put forth the effort to make any run with randoms as smooth as possible. What I won't do is concern myself with whether or not anyone I'm playing with at any given time is, as you would put it, "cheating." That's their business, not mine. It doesn't affect me at all.

[HikariKurosawa]

Translation:To put it bluntly, I am a bad person

No, I am going to ask if they are cheating, and report anyone who admits to it. If nobody admits to it, I will have to go to fflogs and see if I show up on any parses and mass report all 7 of the players. Then it is up to square enix to find out which one of those 7 are cheating. At least one of them is without a doubt. It's not my problem to police their game. It's theirs. It's not an invalid report, since I don't have any way of knowing who it was when they don't admit guilt when prompted. They do deserve to be reported if they ended up cheating despite me asking for them to either leave the party, or admit that they are cheating so I can leave if they won't. Either way, if I show up on a log it is proof that at least 1 of 7 people in the party were cheating.

Sounds like a personal problem with breaking rules and not opening up about it when you are asked about cheating by a peer.

It does affect me, I don't care that you don't care. The rules are what they are. Play the game for you, but don't break rules. Simple.

[Zebraoracle]

No, I am going to ask if they are cheating, and report anyone who admits to it. If nobody admits to it, I will have to go to fflogs and see if I show up on any parses and mass report all 7 of the players. Then it is up to square enix to find out which one of those 7 are cheating. At least one of them is without a doubt. It's not my problem to police their game. It's theirs. It's not an invalid report, since I don't have any way of knowing who it was when they don't admit guilt when prompted. They do deserve to be reported if they ended up cheating despite me asking for them to either leave the party or admit that they are cheating so I can leave if they won't. Either way, if I show up on a log it is proof that at least 1 of 7 people in the party were cheating.

Sounds like a personal problem with breaking rules and not opening up about it when you are asked about cheating by a peer.

It does affect me, I don't care that you don't care. The rules are what they are. Play the game for you, but don't break rules. Simple.

#citationneeded

[Saraide]

No, I am going to ask if they are cheating, and report anyone who admits to it. If nobody admits to it, I will have to go to fflogs and see if I show up on any parses and mass report all 7 of the players. Then it is up to square enix to find out which one of those 7 are cheating. At least one of them is without a doubt. It's not my problem to police their game. It's theirs. It's not an invalid report, since I don't have any way of knowing who it was when they don't admit guilt when prompted. They do deserve to be reported if they ended up cheating despite me asking for them to either leave the party, or admit that they are cheating so I can leave if they won't. Either way, if I show up on a log it is proof that at least 1 of 7 people in the party were cheating.

Sounds like a personal problem with breaking rules and not opening up about it when you are asked about cheating by a peer.

It does affect me, I don't care that you don't care. The rules are what they are. Play the game for you, but don't break rules. Simple.

Imagine willingly and knowingly filing fraudulent reports and then admitting to it on the forums. Incredible.

[HikariKurosawa]

How is it "fraudulent"??? You don't even know waht that word means. If I am in a parse after asking the party to let me know if they are using addons, it means they didn't respect my experience the way you people suggest you would. I'm not sure how you would exactly go about respectfully using addons because, you don't ask if it's okay because that would result in you being banned. You don't let others know you are using addons if you are asked, because that would result in you getting banned.

The only way for me to get you actioned is to report all the people present in the parse excluding myself. Then square enix will have to do an investigation and either do nothing, or ban the people breaking the ToS. The fact is at least one of the people reported should be banned according the rules. There's no reason to not mass report everyone on fflogs by this logic, but I'm only going to do it for the people who end up parsing me after I ask for them to respectfully leave group or turn off addons for the run they are involving me in.

Imagine twisting dialogue and pretending you're on the side of righteousness by throwing around words you don't even understand. It's a tricky issue to tackle because you cheaters are so sneaky and dishonest about it. If it is annoying enough for square enix to deal with the mass reporting, maybe they will have to step up their policy.

[Iyrnthota]

How is it "fraudulent"??? You don't even know waht that word means. If I am in a parse after asking the party to let me know if they are using addons, it means they didn't respect my experience the way you people suggest you would. I'm not sure how you would exactly go about respectfully using addons because, you don't ask if it's okay because that would result in you being banned. You don't let others know you are using addons if you are asked, because that would result in you getting banned.

The only way for me to get you actioned is to report all the people present in the parse excluding myself. Then square enix will have to do an investigation and either do nothing, or ban the people breaking the ToS. The fact is at least one of the people reported should be banned according the rules. There's no reason to not mass report everyone on fflogs by this logic, but I'm only going to do it for the people who end up parsing me after I ask for them to respectfully leave group or turn off addons for the run they are involving me in.

Imagine twisting dialogue and pretending you're on the side of righteousness by throwing around words you don't even understand. It's a tricky issue to tackle because you cheaters are so sneaky and dishonest about it. If it is annoying enough for square enix to deal with the mass reporting, maybe they will have to step up their policy.

In my experience with basically anything that has a reporting function, a single person mass reporting typically results in a punishment for said person.
Especially if you're reporting based on maybes and supposes.

[Saraide]

How is it "fraudulent"??? You don't even know waht that word means. If I am in a parse after asking the party to let me know if they are using addons, it means they didn't respect my experience the way you people suggest you would. I'm not sure how you would exactly go about respectfully using addons because, you don't ask if it's okay because that would result in you being banned. You don't let others know you are using addons if you are asked, because that would result in you getting banned.

The only way for me to get you actioned is to report all the people present in the parse excluding myself. Then square enix will have to do an investigation and either do nothing, or ban the people breaking the ToS. The fact is at least one of the people reported should be banned according the rules. There's no reason to not mass report everyone on fflogs by this logic, but I'm only going to do it for the people who end up parsing me after I ask for them to respectfully leave group or turn off addons for the run they are involving me in.

Imagine twisting dialogue and pretending you're on the side of righteousness by throwing around words you don't even understand. It's a tricky issue to tackle because you cheaters are so sneaky and dishonest about it. If it is annoying enough for square enix to deal with the mass reporting, maybe they will have to step up their policy.

If you report everyone from that group you are automatically reporting atleast 6 people where you know they didnt upload that log. Unless you think that everyone in that party is equally at fault and want them all banned. But in that case you would be banned aswell. Have to make sure we get the correct person afterall, right?

[Zebraoracle]

How is it "fraudulent"??? You don't even know waht that word means. If I am in a parse after asking the party to let me know if they are using addons, it means they didn't respect my experience the way you people suggest you would. I'm not sure how you would exactly go about respectfully using addons because, you don't ask if it's okay because that would result in you being banned. You don't let others know you are using addons if you are asked, because that would result in you getting banned.

The only way for me to get you actioned is to report all the people present in the parse excluding myself. Then square enix will have to do an investigation and either do nothing, or ban the people breaking the ToS. The fact is at least one of the people reported should be banned according the rules. There's no reason to not mass report everyone on fflogs by this logic, but I'm only going to do it for the people who end up parsing me after I ask for them to respectfully leave group or turn off addons for the run they are involving me in.

Imagine twisting dialogue and pretending you're on the side of righteousness by throwing around words you don't even understand. It's a tricky issue to tackle because you cheaters are so sneaky and dishonest about it. If it is annoying enough for square enix to deal with the mass reporting, maybe they will have to step up their policy.

#citationneeded