Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

[Absimiliard]

Lots of words

A few quick points.

Firstly, some of the most notorious addons currently used in WoW rely on/interact with core components of the game so integral to its functionality that they cannot do anything about them without first rebuilding the engine. They have admitted this themselves, even directly citing it as the reason they haven't done anything about certain addons. No way are they going to rebuild the engine this late in its lifespan, especially with MMOs in general showing every sign of being on their way out.

Secondly, Blizzard is pretty awful in the anti-cheat department. They've used a few different ones, most notably Warden, their own proprietary anti-cheat, and practically all of them fall well short of their intended success rate. Moreover, Warden in particular was demonstrated to collect far more data than what was necessary to maintain the integrity of games that used it, causing several cybersecurity firms and even some governments to declare it spyware. In some instances, those governments even went so far as to ban its use in games, or just outright ban the games that used it.

Thirdly, most of the people using Honorbuddy didn't get banned. In fact, the vast majority of them received no punishment at all. The same can be said of the lion's share of cheaters in WoW in general. Most will go completely unnoticed and unpunished so long as they aren't doing stuff so blatant as to get themselves mass reported.

I'm inclined to say FFXIV actually has far fewer cheaters than WoW, especially these days. Well, unless you consider parsers and aesthetic mods to be cheating, in which case the terms of the debate change significantly.

The housing plugins are definitely not just aesthetic mods tho. The one that they're talking about genuinely lets you place housing items outside of the game limits, at least for the most part.

This is already possible without the use of third-party tools or modifications to the game. There are a number of readily exploitable bugs in the housing system that were never fixed, this being but one.

[Lium]

The housing plugins are definitely not just aesthetic mods tho. The one that they're talking about genuinely lets you place housing items outside of the game limits, at least for the most part.

I should have been more specific. I meant mods that only change the appearance of your character. Like gear and hair. Stuff like that. I consider housing and crafting "gameplay" mods, akin to raiding. And by the way, I don't care what anyone uses. Mods don't bother me.

I was just responding to that poster who said they felt singled out as a raider when there are many other mods out there for various other things in the game. That's true. But there is a difference between fluff mods and mods that directly impact gameplay.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

I should have been more specific. I meant mods that only change the appearance of your character. Like gear and hair. Stuff like that. I consider housing and crafting "gameplay" mods, akin to raiding. And by the way, I don't care what anyone uses. Mods don't bother me.

I was just responding to that poster who said they felt singled out as a raider when there are many other mods out there for various other things in the game. That's true. But there is a difference between fluff mods and mods that directly impact gameplay.

As I said, I wasn't sure if you were talking about glamour mods, and since you were, all good, don't take what I said personally, I just used your answer for a more global approach, but I'm glad you feel this way as well.

[Absimiliard]

In fairness, it's kinda understandable to feel like there are eyes on you at the moment if you raid regularly. The lion's share of the raiding community - yes, even those on console - use or benefit from third-party tools. Granted, it's mostly just parsing taking place. The vast majority do NOT use gameplay enhancing plugins or janky garbage to zoom their cameras out until their character looks like an amoeba.

It will pass. This is just another bandwagon a bunch of ignorant people hopped on. They'll tire of it, and the whole debacle will vanish into the same pit the buff limit always gets lost in after its standard once-per-expansion appearance in the public eye.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

* side eyes the ‘show me your…’ threads with obvious gshade’d screenshots. *

[Padudu]

This is already possible without the use of third-party tools or modifications to the game. There are a number of readily exploitable bugs in the housing system that were never fixed, this being but one.

Yeah there are possible to float, but not all of them lol. You can definitely tell which houses has had the plogon treatment vs not as well, btw. Doubly so outdoors, and triple so when you find the neighbor that placed outdoor items outside their home.

[CelestiCer]

There is a big difference between aesthetic mods and gameplay mods.

Players using 200 Fantasia's in less then an hour for free instantly anywhere you want and selling commissioned and non-commissioned aesthetics mods for real life money. -> No Advantages, completely playing the game as intended. Sure lets go with that.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Players using 200 Fantasia's in less then an hour for free instantly anywhere you want and selling commissioned and non-commissioned aesthetics mods for real life money. -> No Advantages, completely playing the game as intended. Sure lets go with that.

I will admit that selling mods for irl money is a bit odd. Not unless someone can argue otherwise.

[keichirou]

I will admit that selling mods for irl money is a bit odd. Not unless someone can argue otherwise.

lowkey this should be illegal IMO(im not sure if it is tbh) mainly because this is a clear violation of IP,copyrights and trademarks.
if they come with a complete idea , no using assets from an already established product, then yeah go for it and sell it , but here the modders are taking advantage of others people work.

[Absimiliard]

Yeah there are possible to float, but not all of them lol. You can definitely tell which houses has had the plogon treatment vs not as well, btw. Doubly so outdoors, and triple so when you find the neighbor that placed outdoor items outside their home.

Depends on how you go about it. You can legit replicate pretty much everything people do, housing-wise, without resorting to third-party tools/modifications (graphical mods notwithstanding, of course) if you're very patient. Some of it is super hard to do, though. Which I suspect is why people are so willing to take the easy route.

Players using 200 Fantasia's in less then an hour for free instantly anywhere you want and selling commissioned and non-commissioned aesthetics mods for real life money. -> No Advantages, completely playing the game as intended. Sure lets go with that.

I think we can mostly all agree the people making profit off mods exist way outside of what would typically be deemed acceptable. The Fantasia business, however, is moot; barring certain conditions (i.e. some stupid mod people use to synchronize, which most people don't use) nobody but the person changing their character's appearance is even able to see it. What's more, it's temporary - you change areas, you change gear, or really do anything that involves not standing around in a house or Limsa's aetheryte plaza, and it's gone.