Can we have an official response on the RMT sub FC farms?

[Sindele]

Ah yes, that most powerful of all third-party tools, one that all sub managers must use: a clock.

We're back at the same fundamental problem so many of these threads have: dumping out the bag of Stuff MMO Players Hate and covering your argument in wildly baseless claims doesn't actually strengthen said argument, it makes it weaker. If your argument starts and ends at 'the FC loophole should be closed', well, there's not really much of a counterargument other than to quibble over little material facts and what 'they haven't shown any inclination of doing anything in the past' means for the future. When you start yelling "obviously it's RMT! and third party tools! and, uh, morally evil! and what else do you people hate? it's that, too!", not only can I just continue poking at the obvious holes in those claims all day, but it starts to make me wonder about what you're actually trying to accomplish with such transparent demagoguery.

[CatStarwind]

Some people admitted to having multiple houses, no where does it say they are RMTing which is the basis for your silly witchhunt thread.

Admitting way more than that if the only thing left to whine about is individual RMT accusations that do not exist. Continuing to lie and calling it a witch-hunt won't make it so. This thread was never about any individual player or group of players and isn't now.

Having multiple shell FCs per service account is literally against all established and official rules. It's considered cheating not only because of the possibility of wider abuse, which yes includes the possibility of RMT, but because it's an enormous detriment to the intended purpose of wards.

Ah yes, that most powerful of all third-party tools, one that all sub managers must use: a clock.

Ah yes, that most powerful of all third-party tools, one that all ultimate raiders must use: a scroll wheel extender.

[PaalHenrik]

Admitting way more than that if the only thing left to whine about is individual RMT accusations that do not exist. Continuing to lie and calling it a witch-hunt won't make it so. This thread was never about any individual player or group of players and isn't now.

Having multiple shell FCs per service account is literally against all established and official rules. It's considered cheating not only because of the possibility of wider abuse, which yes includes the possibility of RMT, but because it's an enormous detriment to the intended purpose of wards.


Ah yes, that most powerful of all third-party tools, one that all ultimate raiders must use: a scroll wheel extender.

You don't even know what you are arguing for or against anymore do you?

[Sindele]

Ah yes, that most powerful of all third-party tools, one that all ultimate raiders must use: a scroll wheel extender.

Should have read the entire post instead of going for the thing I can keep poking holes in. You know it's literally all timers and confirmation menus, right? Which part are you trying to imply is too difficult for mere mortals to do without tools, exactly? Switching characters repeatedly, pressing 'yes' on menus several dozen times, or track the passage of time? I assure you, most people are not particularly challenged by any of these things.

[CatStarwind]

You don't even know what you are arguing for or against anymore do you?

Same thing as I said in the first post as I said in the second paragraph you literally quoted. My post history is rather consistent so feel free to actually engage with anything I said directly rather than feign ignorance.

Which part are you trying to imply is too difficult for mere mortals to do without tools, exactly?

None. That they're used at all was the point.

[Sindele]

None. That they're used at all was the point.

not least of which due to the use third-party plug-ins required to manage such a racket.

If you intend to tell me that the use of 'required' in that sentence was not a deliberate choice, I have to say: I don't think I believe you.

[Chii-Chan]

"You do not have a character on the same World on the same service account that purchased and maintains a free company plot"

"You may only purchase and maintain one private plot and one free company plot per World per service account."

Fascinating isn't it? It's like the intended gameplay is to only have one house, a second if you run an FC. Having any more is quite literally...

To borrow a phrase, quite literally the guide states: "purchased and maintains"
Purchased and maintains are not mutually exclusive. Both must apply in order to prevent a character on the account from bidding.

Did the character Purchase the plot? No
Does the character maintain an FC with a plot? Yes
Ok, any character can bid!

Funny how the system works in game exactly how the statement reads.

[Stormpeaks]

As far as I recall, and even in this very thread, folks have self-admitted to running multi-FC sub farms. This despite this thread neither being about any individual player nor about regular submarining. For some reason those who abuse this system seem extra eager to both gloat about their exploits and play victim to the consequences of the former.



Charming. For what it's worth I already have the houses I want and need, one for myself and one for my FC. So let's talk about that, because I feel it clearly illustrates the warped sense of reality here.

How about we start with Free Company:

It's really interesting the amount of plurality in that definition. Given this is the official definition of an FC, how do you feel about those single member FCs? Those "shell" FCs? Do you really think that's intended?

How about having a multiple characters on the same World, on the same service account, purchasing plots? Do you think that's officially allowed? What do the requirements say?


Fascinating isn't it? It's like the intended gameplay is to only have one house, a second if you run an FC. Having any more is quite literally, by the above, an abuse of the system; almost like you'd need an entire flowchart to exploit the one flag controlling this. It's essentially cheating, not least of which due to the use third-party plug-ins required to manage such a racket. The only people who are truly afraid and angry about losing out on plots aren't regular players, it's those who wish to take part of this exploit. Oh but don't worry, at least everyone pinky promises to never ever RMT regardless of how big their "subempire" gets.

But why even subject yourself to such a charade? To hit gil cap? To spout nonsense about how "arduous" this type of cheating is? Excuses that even the static that cheated at World's First made. All that tedium and time spent cheating just to turn entire wards into ghost towns for the illusion of "challenge" isn't impressive, it's just sad.

Tell me you're clueless without telling me you're clueless why dont you ?

The fact you think managing a "sub farm", requires a third party tool just shows you have no clue what you are talking about and you should probably stick to what you know. It's almost as if excel exists.

As for the rest, it's not abuse nor cheating to have someone or even yourself give an FC to you on a different account, it never was, and it never will, you just need to get off your high horse and get a clue as to what you're talking about.

[Jojoya]

Having multiple shell FCs per service account is literally against all established and official rules.

Link to the official rule on this, please.

It's considered cheating not only because of the possibility of wider abuse, which yes includes the possibility of RMT, but because it's an enormous detriment to the intended purpose of wards.

Source with the official statement from SE that they considering it cheating, please.

Don't get me wrong. Considering the design of the ward system and SE's reluctance to add enough wards (or a better instanced system) so every player can own multiple houses if they chose, it would be nice if those things were true.

But they are not true. SE does allow the multiple house ownership, both through FCs on the same world and personal houses on separate worlds.

Nothing is accomplished by complaining about the multiple house owners who are playing the game within the rules. It's a waste of effort that would be better spent working to convince SE that the system needs to change.

[XiaoShengwu]

Because it's more viable for single users as the chances of getting caught are extremely slim due to the relatively unknown nature of the abuse. That's why it seems threads like these get intensely brigades. The effort and time is worth it if you can guarantee a steady stream of income with little risk to your accounts.

are you against the "possibility" of people doing these things? or for them. Because it seems as if you're promoting these actions rather than condemning them, with this post.