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  1. #61
    Player Velvet_Lunarfang's Avatar
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    Morgan Blackhart
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    Maduin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    I mean, one anal person making a comment like that, isn't a sign that the whole community has changed.

    That said, not everyone is going to like it when you blatantly insult them and call it banter... TC.

    "Wah! Why can't I be racist, sexist and homophobic anymore!"
    I mean, it's not that you can't, it's just that people feel empowered to not take that kind of shit without calling it out anymore. Free speech is like that, people are free to disagree with what you say.
    I think what the person meant is that people don't have the backbone anymore of taking a insult and whine and cry about it. People need to grow some thick skin and learn how to take jokes once again without feeling insulted. Everyone wants to be serious these days and it isn't a fun world anymore
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  2. #62
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    DPZ2's Avatar
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    Dal S'ta
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang View Post
    I think what the person meant is that people don't have the backbone anymore of taking a insult and whine and cry about it. People need to grow some thick skin and learn how to take jokes once again without feeling insulted. Everyone wants to be serious these days and it isn't a fun world anymore
    If this were just about jokes, well. The OP was talking about insults and mockery, which are not jokes. The OP was describing both friendly and unfriendly banter, which are not jokes.

    I welcome a response from writers who insist we "learn how to take jokes". Please provide a joke someone else complained about, so that we may interpret your level of pain.
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  3. #63
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    Eorzean_username's Avatar
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    Azephia Dawn
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    Person who imagines that they're tough:
    "Grrr I can't stand all these thin-skinned [latest term sourced from insecure people on 4chan] who get upset as soon as you say something that they don't like!"

    Some random person who just wants to chill:
    "Hm, I think that I don't like your aggressive and insulting commentaries, regardless of whether you personally find them funny."

    Person who imagines that they're tough:
    "Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I don't like hearing that! It's so unfair that people are allowed to say things like that to me these days! Ahhhhhhhhhh"

    ...and then they invite Elon Musk on-stage, for unclear reasons.

    If people were actually as tough as they think they are, they'd say something like: "Oh, I guess what I like isn't comfortable for other people. I'll just have to learn different behavior when in groups of strangers." That's some hardcore stoicism right there!

    But instead, they actually bruise like overripe plums, or children being told that playtime is over, as soon as someone tells them, "Hey, actually, those verbal or behavioral habits that you've developed have been reconsidered in a new light, and aren't deemed okay any more in general company. Maybe save it for your private friends group. Or, perhaps, develop your personality beyond adolescence."

    Also, the "Gosh, you used to be able to say anything!" crowd often tends to become miraculously more accepting of policing language expression when it's time to criticise positive commentary about a minority or other faction that they happen to personally dislike.

    So, mostly, this seems to come from people who are actually upset that the world is giving them fewer and fewer sanctioned outlets for their questionable urge to constantly aggress everyone around them.

    If you really can't understand why the way that you talk to your closed friends group is not acceptable when talking with total strangers who might come from all kinds of other perspectives, situations, and walks of life, then... I don't know man, I don't think other people is the real problem here.
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  4. #64
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    IkaraGreydancer's Avatar
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    Ikara Graydancer
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    And here I am not noticing a change at all in tat respect. Find better people to be around maybe? Maybe it's what is being said specifically? Idk but I'm not worried about ToS when I'm joking with folks
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  5. #65
    Player Nyxs's Avatar
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    Koyuki Himekawa
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    Malboro
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    I stand corrected. The phrase "As per my earlier example; stop standing in the bad in duties and the team progresses easier. Or keep standing in the bad and blame the healer for your own shortcomings you aren’t mentally or emotionally equipped to deal with" is not about ignoring advice. It is the opinion of the writer for anyone who dares to respond to that criticism ... except in this case, there wasn't any response to criticism mentioned.

    Personally, I do not find it so easy to dismiss players using "you aren't mentally or emotionally equipped". Perhaps that is the way the writer copes. After all, "People don’t like being made feel negative. But it’s how we handle it and what we do with it."
    You seem to coping yourself or have a hero complex where you feel the need to protect everyone. If a player is given advice which they choose to ignore or snap back at it they really aren’t equipped to handle interactions. Its not rude to say.
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  6. #66
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    Gemina's Avatar
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    What I can and will say on this matter is that I would rather people use proper etiquette, and to be courteous and respectful towards each other. "Treat those how you wish to be treated." was something taught to me at a very early age. As far back as I can remember many people are aware of this form of decorum, and equally as many fail to put it to practice or lose their composure when emotional levels heighten. I'm no saint, and I'm guilty of it as well.

    Woke agendas, politics, and a whole array of -isms are things I wish would never make it into the interactions that take place in the game while online. However, the internet is a place that has an abundance of all of those. The internet is a virtual version of the world at large, and there is a lot of beauty to found on it as well. However, a set of heavy armor is required if you wish to spend time on it, but compassion should lie underneath it all. Many minds that have been conditioned differently from one to the next, and that is why it is all the more important to look back on the phrase I started this post with, and to do your best to keep your emotions in check. A little bit of empathy goes a long way.
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  7. #67
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    Renalt's Avatar
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    Renalt El'doran
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    There is nothing but soy cause I ate all the Alpha! MUWAHAHAHA!

    Can you blame me though? I just saw him hanging out with the tiny Omega and I was hungry so I had some fried chicken.

    He WAS finger-licking good.
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

    Fluid like water. Smooth like silk. Pepperoni like pizza.

  8. #68
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    DPZ2's Avatar
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    Dal S'ta
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyxs View Post
    You seem to coping yourself or have a hero complex where you feel the need to protect everyone. If a player is given advice which they choose to ignore or snap back at it they really aren’t equipped to handle interactions. Its not rude to say.
    Pretty keen on psychoanalyzing someone you've never met. That appears to be the typical methodology of those who buy into the "get a spine" pseudo-rhetoric.

    Is all of the above meaningless blather necessary to justify your last sentence? You could have made your point just as easily without the pseudo-insult at the beginning.
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  9. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    Pretty keen on psychoanalyzing someone you've never met. That appears to be the typical methodology of those who buy into the "get a spine" pseudo-rhetoric.

    Is all of the above meaningless blather necessary to justify your last sentence? You could have made your point just as easily without the pseudo-insult at the beginning.
    Projecting
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  10. #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    Projecting
    You might be right. A piece starting with "You seem to [be] coping yourself or have a hero complex" does seem like projection to me too.

    As for my full reply, the following statement "If a player is given advice which they choose to ignore or snap back at it they really aren’t equipped to handle interactions. Its not rude to say." does not require a pseudo-insult at the beginning. Want to insist that any such statements must be prepended? For what reason?
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