Did SE threaten to not make ultimates anymore?

[LalafellDown]

It’s a waste of time when only a few people clear it and becomes dead content. At least make them solo friendly buy giving the player some buff after some expansions come out. Having content that only a limited amount player can try is just bad design.

For the people who use mods to cheese the fight, just shows you that players don’t care and just want the reward. At least make the content fun and not hard. Something that people will want to come back and do many times out of fun.

[Kazhar]

It’s a waste of time when only a few people clear it and becomes dead content.

No Ultimate is dead content. I see PFs for each of them every single day on Light Datacenter. It's not unusual to find more PFs for Ultimates than the entire savage tier + the current EX combined.

Something that people will want to come back and do many times out of fun.

This is literally what Ultimates are. PF are filled with bored helpers who reprog the entire fight for fun. For them and for many of the high-end community, this is the only content in the game which never gets stale.

[Rilifane]

It’s a waste of time when only a few people clear it and becomes dead content. At least make them solo friendly buy giving the player some buff after some expansions come out. Having content that only a limited amount player can try is just bad design.

For the people who use mods to cheese the fight, just shows you that players don’t care and just want the reward. At least make the content fun and not hard. Something that people will want to come back and do many times out of fun.

Even SB ultimates get done regularly and they're many years old. You have an entire discord dedicated to finding parties if you can't/ don't want to commit to a static.
Every player can try it if they want to, there is no limitation to who can try it.
All it showed was that world first racers wanted an edge in that race. We're talking about one group of players here, not the entire playerbase that does ultimate.
You have plenty of content that is fun and not hard and that you can do as many times as you want out of fun. You have dungeons, normal raids, alli raids, story trials, treasure maps old and new, Deep Dungeon.

Leave Ultimate for people who like hard content because they find it fun and don't pretend that nobody likes hard content because one group cheated during the world first race.

[ForteNightshade]

Just to give an example. If I’m trying to prog savage in PF and mess up a mechanic, but the rest of the group clear it because they are using mods to show them safe spaces etc, and they kick me because of it, that’s unfair and I’m at a disadvantage for playing the game as intended.

Ok, so I can say I learned the fight and cleared it without cheating, but if most or all in my party are using cheat mods, it sucks.

Except most parties aren't using programs like what is getting thrown around. The one showing AoE indicators has existed for a good while now yet PF is still breathing safe. Just because a handful of world groups opted to use it doesn't mean the majority of players are. That's just doomsaying.

It’s a waste of time when only a few people clear it and becomes dead content. At least make them solo friendly buy giving the player some buff after some expansions come out. Having content that only a limited amount player can try is just bad design.

For the people who use mods to cheese the fight, just shows you that players don’t care and just want the reward. At least make the content fun and not hard. Something that people will want to come back and do many times out of fun.

Everything gets easier over time. All of the Stormblood savages save O12 door boss can be solo'd nowadays. You just have to wait until you're a high enough level above them.

Ultimate can't and should never be solo-able as that defeats the entire purpose of its existence. Nonetheless, UCoB and UwU have been power crept to death and back, making them very approachable for players looking for a challenge but not one quite on the level of Dragonsong or Omega Protocol. These fights are fun to the people who enjoy that. Not everything needs to be available to everyone. If you want to tackle Ultimate then either learn how to improve so you're capable of the challenge or leave them be as they simply aren't your interest. It's okay not to clear everything in the game.

[Ivtrix]

No Ultimate is dead content. I see PFs for each of them every single day on Light Datacenter.



This is literally what Ultimates are. PF are filled with bored helpers who reprog the entire fight for fun.

the fact that ultimates are synched give them some of the longest lasting replayability in the game. Once people finished clearing edens promise in shadowbringers and entered the long wait for 6.0, the ultimate community boomed. I expect the same thing to happen waiting for 7.0

[_forgotten]

I will try to be like you guys and keep a positive attitude despite the sour messaging.

Really tho gamers stop modding. Lest we lose our nice things.

[Raven2014]

Just to give an example. If I’m trying to prog savage in PF and mess up a mechanic, but the rest of the group clear it because they are using mods to show them safe spaces etc, and they kick me because of it, that’s unfair and I’m at a disadvantage for playing the game as intended.

Correction: you should have said just "to give a hypothetical example". The only people that you can convince with your example is yourself, or people don't play the game at all and read your post from an outsider perspective. Most people who does play the game in PF know the situation you present while can "technically" happen, "realistically" actually does not happen.

This is especially true since a couple years back when SE update the TOS with the carebear policy that pretty much explicitly prohibit people from making other players feel bad, regardless of the reason. The reality is most PF will simply disband when its member feel the skill of the party is not up to task because not many will want to risk getting reported for calling poor performer.

So no, people like you are protected, very well I might add by the developers. Yoshi had even said he wants the savage scene to embrace the carebear attitude in that people should be willing to carry others.

[Thoosa]

I wasn’t trying to convince anyone.

What do you mean “people like you”?

[Raven2014]

What do you mean “people like you”?

The very person you use as your example?

If I’m trying to prog savage in PF and mess up a mechanic, but the rest of the group clear it because they are using mods to show them safe spaces etc, and they kick me because of it, that’s unfair and I’m at a disadvantage for playing the game as intended.

^ that person.

[Thoosa]

Yeah and I’m not sure where you get the idea from that comment that every PF contains 7 other players using cheating addons, but no doubt in *some* parties people do….

Also, I have raided in PF since O1S, thanks.