Can we have an official response on the RMT sub FC farms?

[PredatoryCatgirl]

1 - frees up houses for people to use instead of relying on more wards being added

Hard data cited multiple times by multiple people in this very thread says that this number of houses is a drop in the bucket compared to demand.

2 - causes higher supply in new wards since you won't see RMT and sub farmers snap up entire wards on alts when new wards get dropped

See above. Also, its been pointed out multiple times that submarines are obvious, tied to your account, and take a long time to produce, all things RMTers hate. One investigation and months worth of effort are undone.

3 - decreases RMT by cutting off one of the ways the gil is generated, or at least reducing how effective it is.

See above note about RMT.

Seriously people, stop invoking RMT as a boogeyman for every time someone does something you don't like. Is the untalented bard spamming the Limsa aetheryte also engaging in RMT?

I've talked with some of these house hoarders and submarine barons before. Half of them are uber capitalists who love being rich and the other half are trolls who enjoy depriving people of something. That's it. Its that simple. Selfish and/or petty people. Not everything is RMT.

"But you're defending them." No I'm not. I'm saying your efforts are wasted at actually solving a problem.

"But they deserve the bad thing." And in the process you're taking away a resource from many other people who aren't doing anything wrong without actually helping the problem you claim to care about. If you don't care, that makes you as bad as them.

[VerdeLuck]

Hard data cited multiple times by multiple people in this very thread says that this number of houses is a drop in the bucket compared to demand.



See above. Also, its been pointed out multiple times that submarines are obvious, tied to your account, and take a long time to produce, all things RMTers hate. One investigation and months worth of effort are undone.



See above note about RMT.

Seriously people, stop invoking RMT as a boogeyman for every time someone does something you don't like. Is the untalented bard spamming the Limsa aetheryte also engaging in RMT?

I've talked with some of these house hoarders and submarine barons before. Half of them are uber capitalists who love being rich and the other half are trolls who enjoy depriving people of something. That's it. Its that simple. Selfish and/or petty people. Not everything is RMT.

"But you're defending them." No I'm not. I'm saying your efforts are wasted at actually solving a problem.

"But they deserve the bad thing." And in the process you're taking away a resource from many other people who aren't doing anything wrong without actually helping the problem you claim to care about. If you don't care, that makes you as bad as them.

You haven't posted any of this supposed proof you claim to have, despite mentioning it multiple times. Get it out then.
Since from what it looks like here, you're pulling out everything you can to justify why some people should not only be able to hoard multiples of a limited resource, but should be able to farm gil and sell it for real money to other players as a business strategy. I strongly oppose both of them and things can be done to punish RMTers without affecting the legitimate people who only have 1 FC house and some subs they run every now and then. The fact that you think someone calling out RMT gil farmers is just as bad as the people breaking the rules and actually farming definitely says a lot.

[ZiraZ]

What I'm seeing on xivhousing (which is also extremely outdated and the new wards added have just given sub farms more chances to spread) is absolutely not a drop in the bucket.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

You haven't posted any of this supposed proof you claim to have, despite mentioning it multiple times. Get it out then.

Already been posted in the thread by several people, including me. One even cited the census data.

Since from what it looks like here, you're pulling out everything you can to justify why some people should not only be able to hoard multiples of a limited resource, but should be able to farm gil and sell it for real money to other players as a business strategy

The fact that you think someone calling out RMT gil farmers is just as bad as the people breaking the rules and actually farming definitely says a lot.

Sure, I'm defending them. That's why I specifically said I wasn't and called them selfish and petty. Because I'm defending them. /s

You're also strawmanning hard. I never said accusing someone of RMT is as bad as RMTing. I said that its become a witch hunt and become a parody of itself. Not the same thing and if you think it is then the problem is with your reading comprehension.

[VerdeLuck]

Already been posted in the thread by several people, including me. One even cited the census data.



Sure, I'm defending them. That's why I specifically said I wasn't and called them selfish and petty. Because I'm defending them. /s

You're also strawmanning hard. I never said accusing someone of RMT is as bad as RMTing. I said that its become a witch hunt and become a parody of itself. Not the same thing and if you think it is then the problem is with your reading comprehension.

"Strawmanning hard" says the person who put fake quotes I never said in a post and then argued against them. Pretty funny.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

"Strawmanning hard" says the person who put fake quotes I never said in a post and then argued against them. Pretty funny.

And now you're making an easily disproven lie, so I'm done talking to you now.

[VerdeLuck]

And now you're making an easily disproven lie, so I'm done talking to you now.

"But you're defending them." No I'm not. I'm saying your efforts are wasted at actually solving a problem.

"But they deserve the bad thing." And in the process you're taking away a resource from many other people who aren't doing anything wrong without actually helping the problem you claim to care about. If you don't care, that makes you as bad as them.

Right here bud, You made up a fake quote, attributed it to me, and then argued against it. It's literally the definition of strawmanning. You're setting up fake arguments and then arguing against it.
Then, you project onto me and claim that I'm strawmanning you.

It's the exact same as you saying there's a mountain of proof supporting your position, and then when pressed for it, ask me to do your research for you. No, I'm not searching for evidence to back up your claims, you do that.

[CatStarwind]

All those multi houses abusers trying to defend their business and practices in this thread is embarrassing, like really, I love the FF14 community but the bad apples are just so sour and taste awful, on the topic though, why make housing instanced when the current system is already supposed to work as intended, did you actually even visit a friend house, or actually decorated a house? like there is an FC house plot right in front where I have my current house plot, and still there till right now, and that house plot is owned by an FC that contains 3 players of lvl 5 to 12, and all I can imagine they were as well one of those submarine farmers, because the house inside is simply empty, like a default empty house that has literally nothing inside, the house been up and around for like years, since Stormblood days, and I have never seen those FC members even come around, hell it was annoying that I even thought to relocate somewhere else many times, just because of how default it looks and how empty it feels like an abandoned ghost house, but there are at least some life around with the people around me, like a FC that is active owning a large plot, and some people in small plots. so yeah hoarding house plots like that simply kills the vibe of having an actual ward of houses with neighbors around, and by doing that you are making the wards instanced already, just to satisfy your own greed and selfish personality, nothing you will say will sweeten that picture, no matter how hard you are trying to justify it and sound like a good person. like for real.

It would be less embarrassing if they kept to one excuse instead of bouncing between half a dozen different ones, some even contradictory. That they rather under play the possibility of RMT rather than out right say they take a zero tolerance stance on the matter speaks volumes.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

It would be less embarrassing if they kept to one excuse instead of bouncing between half a dozen different ones, some even contradictory. That they rather under play the possibility of RMT rather than out right say they take a zero tolerance stance on the matter speaks volumes.

SE does have a zero tolerance policy for RMT. If they actually catch you selling gil, your account is permabanned. Supposedly buyers are given suspensions the first time, but sellers are gone.

The difference between you and SE is that SE requires proof.

I'm done trying to speak sense to the Salem mob. Many people in this thread cannot understand that not wanting to go after someone with pitchforks does not mean you condone the action, and that saying "X won't help" doesn't mean you don't want to help.

[CatStarwind]

That pretty much sums up this thread in regards to shinning a light on this abuse. Warnings of RMT seem irrelevant, elaborating on it being against TOS doesn't matter, destroying a communal resource with asocial behavior unimportant. It's just about playing victim, that despite not a single person nor group being targeted, it's just wanting to be mad. The irony is that the solution already exists in writing, it's just not enforced due to obscurity.