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    Quote Originally Posted by Padudu View Post
    That person is really stuck on the fact that I pulled up mod downloads huh lol. The number of downloads ultimately isn't important.
    So then there's no point in bringing it up. You don't get to arbitrarily get to decide what information can and can't be gleaned from it.

    What is important is that you can't just say "oh the number of people who want unlocked poses is small, the forum is small!" while simultaneously rejecting the fact that outside the forum, people who mod or have access to them, download gendered poses themselves.
    That's not contradictory in any way. You're literally saying here that "The fact that there ARE people who mod is an argument enough to include it" as if the actual # doesn't matter. It does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRHaymaker View Post
    So then there's no point in bringing it up. You don't get to arbitrarily get to decide what information can and can't be gleaned from it.



    That's not contradictory in any way. You're literally saying here that "The fact that there ARE people who mod is an argument enough to include it" as if the actual # doesn't matter. It does.
    Lmao bro I would have never brought it up as a point to begin with had they not insisted that only a small number of people want ungendered poses/idles/whatever and then insist on it being a fact. Me, you, them, and everyone else in this thread cannot say for an objective fact that it's "only a small number of people" my dude. I'm not sure why you can't grasp this concept. So it's either ALL significant or none of it is. But don't sit here and pretend like "small number of people" is a true statement lmao. Let me remind me of the point of where this all started:

    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    You do realize the forums makes up a tiny percentage of the player base right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    Modding is a small subset of players. On that site the highest viewed mod was only at 664+k. If I were to be generous and say the the actual amout of people who use mods were 5 times higher than that it would still only be around 13% of the total playerbase. Seeing as those searching for this particular mod is only 4% of that original number, not taking into consideration the view/download count could be resgistering multiple views/downloads from the same people, then it's safe to assume that across the entire modding community the amount of people looking for this particular mod is going to be largely insignificant to the total number of people who play.

    Nobody ever doubted there would be interest in this, but to actively dismiss the numbers you yourself brought up because they don't paint the picture you wanted is disingenous.
    The picture your painting is also incorrect and false btw. Let me know when you have actual numbers to claim it's a "small number". Also, please consider the fact that the site is like.. not an end all, be all modding website, there are multiple - discords upon discords, ect ect ect.

    No one is saying there isn't an interest. What I am contending is your insistent need to say that it is, without a doubt, a small number of people. Which is like I said before, you and I cannot know that lmao.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padudu View Post
    The picture your painting is also incorrect and false btw. Let me know when you have actual numbers to claim it's a "small number". Also, please consider the fact that the site is like.. not an end all, be all modding website, there are multiple - discords upon discords, ect ect ect.

    No one is saying there isn't an interest. What I am contending is your insistent need to say that it is, without a doubt, a small number of people. Which is like I said before, you and I cannot know that lmao.
    Ok, out of those "Discords upon Discords" of modders, how many of them care about this particular mod? How many are "Discords upon Discords" in general? You want to disregard what I say when I say a "small number of people", yet continue to throw out vague statements to try and prove the contrary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jybril View Post
    ITT: Grown men and women are losing their marbles and have a mental breakdown because other grown men and women want to sit a certain way in a video game.
    More at 11!



    Yikes. How do people function in daily life.
    Well you seem to be having a mental break down over people posting on a forum about a video game so how do you function in daily life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    Ok, out of those "Discords upon Discords" of modders, how many of them care about this particular mod? How many are "Discords upon Discords" in general? You want to disregard what I say when I say a "small number of people", yet continue to throw out vague statements to try and prove the contrary.
    You are also just saying vague statements LMAO. I gave you a website where obviously there's some demands for it, you reject it. How about you show me where (outside this forum) people reject ungendered sits bro? Why do I have to prove everything to you when you know damn well you're putting fingers in your ears and going "BUUUUT ITS ACTUALLY A SMALL SUBSET OF PLAYERS!" Like cmon dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padudu View Post
    You are also just saying vague statements LMAO. I gave you a website where obviously there's some demands for it, you reject it. How about you show me where (outside this forum) people reject ungendered sits bro? Why do I have to prove everything to you when you know damn well you're putting fingers in your ears and going "BUUUUT ITS ACTUALLY A SMALL SUBSET OF PLAYERS!" Like cmon dude.
    How did I reject the website you brought up as a way to say there's some demand for it? I used that site to prove that even though there IS some demand for it, it seems to be rather low. That's not rejecting the fact that there's a demand at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    How did I reject the website you brought up as a way to say there's some demand for it? I used that site to prove that even though there IS some demand for it, it seems to be rather low. That's not rejecting the fact that there's a demand.
    Bro you saying that the demand is rather low for it is because you took a cursory glance at the "most downloaded" page, looked at the first mod, then called it a day. I gave you a couple mods of the relevant thing that we're talking about, I'm not going to hand hold you and find every single mod out there that swaps poses so to appease you lmao. If there's mods for it, and there are over a thousand downloads for it, do you not consider the fact the demand doesn't stop there? Do you think it just ends up players modding the game and calling it a day? No? So then why assume that it's small? I gave the site as a baseline to start off from where it's *not* just only the players on the forum wanting ungendered sits. You can see outside the website that there is a demand for it, even if it's not vocalized.

    The rejection just comes from you tunnel visioning on the numbers because otherwise you don't really have a point lmao.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padudu View Post
    Bro you saying that the demand is rather low for it is because you took a cursory glance at the "most downloaded" page, looked at the first mod, then called it a day. I gave you a couple mods of the relevant thing that we're talking about, I'm not going to hand hold you and find every single mod out there that swaps poses so to appease you lmao. If there's mods for it, and there are over a thousand downloads for it, do you not consider the fact the demand doesn't stop there? Do you think it just ends up players modding the game and calling it a day? No? So then why assume that it's small? I gave the site as a baseline to start off from where it's *not* just only the players on the forum wanting ungendered sits. You can see outside the website that there is a demand for it, even if it's not vocalized.

    The rejection just comes from you tunnel visioning on the numbers because otherwise you don't really have a point lmao.
    The reason I looked at the "most viewed" (not most downloaded) is because it gives an insight to how many people visit that site and where their interests lie. It establishes a baseline number. If 664k people (the number from the highest viewed mod) looked at one mod then it shows that at least 664k people are using mods. Of those 664k modders you've now established exist, 30k or so show an interest in a particular mod. That establishes a percentage. 30k viewers of that one mod is 4.5% of the 664k known modders. If the number of modders is higher than your baseline and the number of views on that one particular mod remains the same then its over all percentage value decreases.

    Nobody said anywhere that there isn't going to be demand from outside the forums either.
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