Ungendered sit poses, please?

[PyurBlue]

Have you paid any attention to my replies to Padudu and to yourself? Padudu brought up the fact that there is a mod that does exactly what this very thread requests and tried to cite it as an example that "a lot of people" were looking for this specifically to be added. However, the numbers provided proved otherwise. 8+ thousand downloads and 30+ thousand views, while not insubstantial numbers on their own, is a drop in the bucket to the estimated 25+ million players. If anything it serves to prove my point.

What I am trying to convey to you, that you seem to be determined to ignore, is that there are proveable numbers to show the interest of this idea and they seem to be on the low side.

So unless you can provide proof to the contrairy it'll take more to "call me out" than just saying "nuh-uh!"



How is this an "obvious improvement"? For it to be "improved" it must have first been lacking or flawed, which it isn't.

When I'm reading posts I usually assume that sections where I'm quoted are for me and sections where others are quoted aren't. I may not have read everything you meant for me if it was under other people's quotes.

Anyway, on the subject of mod counts, you're comparing downloads to 25 million players. What exactly does that tell us? Not everyone uses mods, not everyone plays the same way. Of those 25 million, how many are English speaking, since it was an English site that the mods came from right? I don't think JP and European users would search for the same downloads as US players. I myself want unlocked emotes, but I have zero mods for such a thing. So is the download count accurate, or is underrepresentative of the demand? Lastly I'm pretty sure all of this was brought up after you said the pro unlock side was small. So again, when you said that, there was no supporting evidence.

Getting back on the actual topic, if we're going to have more sit poses then we need a better way to cycle through them than just /cpose. A list that long with no way to manually select would be a pain to navigate. I'm for the idea though for the sake of variety and while we're at it, unlock all of the sit poses for all races so everyone can use them all. Just, give a list or a wheel or more text commands for easier selection.

I'm trying to think of anything in game besides the auto cpose that links emotes together in a list as that could lead to an easy way to implement custom emote lists. I can't really think of anything except for parasols which basically come with their own cpose. I'm not sure if this is actually possible, but maybe we could have dummy accessory items that are just pose packs and add the poses that way.

Ideally though, the pose system should be redesigned completely to be customizable. Since there is a graphics overhaul planned, now seems like a good time to ask for this.

[Padudu]

When I'm reading posts I usually assume that sections where I'm quoted are for me and sections where others are quoted aren't. I may not have read everything you meant for me if it was under other people's quotes.

Anyway, on the subject of mod counts, you're comparing downloads to 25 million players. What exactly does that tell us? Not everyone uses mods, not everyone plays the same way. Of those 25 million, how many are English speaking, since it was an English site that the mods came from right? I don't think JP and European users would search for the same downloads as US players. I myself want unlocked emotes, but I have zero mods for such a thing. So is the download count accurate, or is underrepresentative of the demand? Lastly I'm pretty sure all of this was brought up after you said the pro unlock side was small. So again, when you said that, there was no supporting evidence.

That person is really stuck on the fact that I pulled up mod downloads huh lol. The number of downloads ultimately isn't important. What is important is that you can't just say "oh the number of people who want unlocked poses is small, the forum is small!" while simultaneously rejecting the fact that outside the forum, people who mod or have access to them, download gendered poses themselves. You can't just put blinders on bcos it doesn't support your narrative lmao. My whole point is that there is, indeed a number of players who might not vocalize the want for it, but they will search for means to get it. Those people still matter.

Anyways, at least me throwing a tangible number, however small is better than sticking to "it's a small amount of people, trust me" and shading a potential possibility that it may not be as small as they want it to be.

As for the actual topic, I think listing the poses like mount roulette would be ideal, or maybe most feasible? Select the idles that you want and will show up in rotation.

[DRHaymaker]

That person is really stuck on the fact that I pulled up mod downloads huh lol. The number of downloads ultimately isn't important.

So then there's no point in bringing it up. You don't get to arbitrarily get to decide what information can and can't be gleaned from it.

What is important is that you can't just say "oh the number of people who want unlocked poses is small, the forum is small!" while simultaneously rejecting the fact that outside the forum, people who mod or have access to them, download gendered poses themselves.

That's not contradictory in any way. You're literally saying here that "The fact that there ARE people who mod is an argument enough to include it" as if the actual # doesn't matter. It does.

[Fredco191]

More poses are always nice!

[Padudu]

So then there's no point in bringing it up. You don't get to arbitrarily get to decide what information can and can't be gleaned from it.



That's not contradictory in any way. You're literally saying here that "The fact that there ARE people who mod is an argument enough to include it" as if the actual # doesn't matter. It does.

Lmao bro I would have never brought it up as a point to begin with had they not insisted that only a small number of people want ungendered poses/idles/whatever and then insist on it being a fact. Me, you, them, and everyone else in this thread cannot say for an objective fact that it's "only a small number of people" my dude. I'm not sure why you can't grasp this concept. So it's either ALL significant or none of it is. But don't sit here and pretend like "small number of people" is a true statement lmao. Let me remind me of the point of where this all started:

You do realize the forums makes up a tiny percentage of the player base right?

Modding is a small subset of players. On that site the highest viewed mod was only at 664+k. If I were to be generous and say the the actual amout of people who use mods were 5 times higher than that it would still only be around 13% of the total playerbase. Seeing as those searching for this particular mod is only 4% of that original number, not taking into consideration the view/download count could be resgistering multiple views/downloads from the same people, then it's safe to assume that across the entire modding community the amount of people looking for this particular mod is going to be largely insignificant to the total number of people who play.

Nobody ever doubted there would be interest in this, but to actively dismiss the numbers you yourself brought up because they don't paint the picture you wanted is disingenous.

The picture your painting is also incorrect and false btw. Let me know when you have actual numbers to claim it's a "small number". Also, please consider the fact that the site is like.. not an end all, be all modding website, there are multiple - discords upon discords, ect ect ect.

No one is saying there isn't an interest. What I am contending is your insistent need to say that it is, without a doubt, a small number of people. Which is like I said before, you and I cannot know that lmao.

[Joven]

The picture your painting is also incorrect and false btw. Let me know when you have actual numbers to claim it's a "small number". Also, please consider the fact that the site is like.. not an end all, be all modding website, there are multiple - discords upon discords, ect ect ect.

No one is saying there isn't an interest. What I am contending is your insistent need to say that it is, without a doubt, a small number of people. Which is like I said before, you and I cannot know that lmao.

Ok, out of those "Discords upon Discords" of modders, how many of them care about this particular mod? How many are "Discords upon Discords" in general? You want to disregard what I say when I say a "small number of people", yet continue to throw out vague statements to try and prove the contrary.

ITT: Grown men and women are losing their marbles and have a mental breakdown because other grown men and women want to sit a certain way in a video game.
More at 11!



Yikes. How do people function in daily life.

Well you seem to be having a mental break down over people posting on a forum about a video game so how do you function in daily life?

[Padudu]

Ok, out of those "Discords upon Discords" of modders, how many of them care about this particular mod? How many are "Discords upon Discords" in general? You want to disregard what I say when I say a "small number of people", yet continue to throw out vague statements to try and prove the contrary.

You are also just saying vague statements LMAO. I gave you a website where obviously there's some demands for it, you reject it. How about you show me where (outside this forum) people reject ungendered sits bro? Why do I have to prove everything to you when you know damn well you're putting fingers in your ears and going "BUUUUT ITS ACTUALLY A SMALL SUBSET OF PLAYERS!" Like cmon dude.

[Joven]

You are also just saying vague statements LMAO. I gave you a website where obviously there's some demands for it, you reject it. How about you show me where (outside this forum) people reject ungendered sits bro? Why do I have to prove everything to you when you know damn well you're putting fingers in your ears and going "BUUUUT ITS ACTUALLY A SMALL SUBSET OF PLAYERS!" Like cmon dude.

How did I reject the website you brought up as a way to say there's some demand for it? I used that site to prove that even though there IS some demand for it, it seems to be rather low. That's not rejecting the fact that there's a demand at all.

[Joven]

When I'm reading posts I usually assume that sections where I'm quoted are for me and sections where others are quoted aren't. I may not have read everything you meant for me if it was under other people's quotes.

Anyway, on the subject of mod counts, you're comparing downloads to 25 million players. What exactly does that tell us? Not everyone uses mods, not everyone plays the same way. Of those 25 million, how many are English speaking, since it was an English site that the mods came from right? I don't think JP and European users would search for the same downloads as US players. I myself want unlocked emotes, but I have zero mods for such a thing. So is the download count accurate, or is underrepresentative of the demand? Lastly I'm pretty sure all of this was brought up after you said the pro unlock side was small. So again, when you said that, there was no supporting evidence.

That person is really stuck on the fact that I pulled up mod downloads huh lol. The number of downloads ultimately isn't important. What is important is that you can't just say "oh the number of people who want unlocked poses is small, the forum is small!" while simultaneously rejecting the fact that outside the forum, people who mod or have access to them, download gendered poses themselves. You can't just put blinders on bcos it doesn't support your narrative lmao. My whole point is that there is, indeed a number of players who might not vocalize the want for it, but they will search for means to get it. Those people still matter.

Anyways, at least me throwing a tangible number, however small is better than sticking to "it's a small amount of people, trust me" and shading a potential possibility that it may not be as small as they want it to be.

Modding is a small subset of players. On that site the highest viewed mod was only at 664+k. If I were to be generous and say the the actual amout of people who use mods were 5 times higher than that it would still only be around 13% of the total playerbase. Seeing as those searching for this particular mod is only 4% of that original number, not taking into consideration the view/download count could be resgistering multiple views/downloads from the same people, then it's safe to assume that across the entire modding community the amount of people looking for this particular mod is going to be largely insignificant to the total number of people who play.

Nobody ever doubted there would be interest in this, but to actively dismiss the numbers you yourself brought up because they don't paint the picture you wanted is disingenous.