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    Quote Originally Posted by Edevane View Post
    Huh, would you be able to tell me where is this said? I can't remember it being mentioned.
    Iirc shade hythloe explained it before seat of sacrifice. Basically emet made it in secret after azem was stripped of his title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    Number 1: that bit of text that states au ra are not dragons on the race selection. There's too much evidence in and out of universe saying otherwise.
    What "evidence" are you talking about? There's nothing within the game that indicates they have a special link to the dragons, and outside of the game we've just had the devs telling us they're not connected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidurgu-12 View Post
    Iirc shade hythloe explained it before seat of sacrifice. Basically emet made it in secret after azem was stripped of his title.
    Specifically, the passage in question:

    Quote Originally Posted by Fake Hythlodaeus
    Defectors having been deemed unworthy of commemoration, no crystal exists for the individual in question.
    ...Or shouldn't exist, at any rate--and wouldn't, had a friend not created one in secret.
    A crystal bearing the forgotten name of her office, along with a magick of her own conceiving--a singular incantation embodying her spirit.
    That seems very, very specific to me: it only contains the name of their office (which was presumably in the form of that passage in Seat of Sacrifice) and the spell we keep using to justify trials after that point. There is no indication that it contains anything else in it, not even the faintest grabs that all the other crystals have that generally 'reminds' them.

    Remember just how reliable this source is: Fake Hythlodaeus is a figment of Emet's imagination separate from all the other shades specifically because Emet reasoned that Hythlodaeus was smart enough to know it all anyway. While this nature doesn't make him a perfect, objective source on subjects like the End of Days, it makes him literally the most reliable source it's possible for there to be on the subject of 'a thing Emet-Selch did in secret', as Hythlodaeus is also not the type to lie or withhold information.

    If you approach the question from a more logical 'what would Emet-Selch do' perspective, it also doesn't make sense he would've done it: the purpose of the crystals was to ascend the Convocation that stood at the end of Amaurot's days, all fully on Team Zodiark. Essentially, the Unsundered got together their most agreed-on, staunchest allies (granted, Fandaniel didn't go super well). From that perspective, Azem wasn't just cut from the lineup for organizational reasons, they were cut because also ascending the one guy who disagreed strongly enough to leave would be a really bad idea. Possibly the worst idea, in fact. Emet might be sentimental, but he's not stupid.

    EDIT: Unless, of course, you just decide to ignore all that, as is the subject of this thread. Which again, you have pull power to do, but I never like, partially for this reason; if you want to ignore Thing A, what's stopping you from also ignoring Related Thing B? Ahd then there's Tangentially Related Thing C, and eventually it's not even clear how much we even hold in common, which can really suck depending on why we're talking about things.
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    Last edited by Cleretic; 01-26-2023 at 01:52 PM.

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