What lore do you ignore?

[FenyxRising]

Agreed, this is way better than just a blanket 'nuh-uh'. Especially with Hildibrand, which I think brings a lot of interesting lore outside of the actual comedy, just throwing it all out leaves you missing a lot of neat stuff.

In fact I kinda wish it was real now, just because if it was, there would be a great potential hook of meeting the 'real' Hildibrand and learning, say, the real events around Brandihild.

What lore did Hildibrand have exactly ? All of the lore are unimportant and disconnected from the main story it might as well be its own universe ? Hmm ?

[Cleretic]

What lore did Hildibrand have exactly ? All of the lore are unimportant and disconnected from the main story it might as well be its own universe ? Hmm ?

I answered you directly and at length in the other thread you made specifically about this. Without Hildibrand, we would've gotten a good amount of information either much later (like, 'multiple expansions' later) or not at all. Yeah, it's 'disconnected from the main story', but so are the Ivalice raids. Side stories are written to essentially be supplemental to the main story rather than required for them, so that the people who do them learn more things, while the people who skip past them can still understand the main story.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

That millions of people were purposely and systematically murdered so I could fish and play cactpot.

[RavLandslide]

It's not really something I ignore, but I like to pretend that Venat addressed G'raha Tia specifically for the whole saving The First, us and a whole lot of other people on the source thing.

[Aneshda]

After Endwalker? All

[Eisi]

It's not really something I ignore, but I like to pretend that Venat addressed G'raha Tia specifically for the whole saving The First, us and a whole lot of other people on the source thing.

Oh yeah I think that'd be cool. I think she shoulda had some words for each of them tbh. And also she should have started the fight in a muddy state like in the cutscene with the black "bile" covering her angelic body. And in the second phase shoulda swapped to the clean state. That's my headcanon cause it would just have been cooler imo.

[Cleretic]

That millions of people were purposely and systematically murdered so I could fish and play cactpot.

Welcome to world history: you do that every day.

It's not really something I ignore, but I like to pretend that Venat addressed G'raha Tia specifically for the whole saving The First, us and a whole lot of other people on the source thing.

Actually, I find this more fun: small scenes that wouldn't necessarily have changed the 'output' of the story, but would tie things up a little tighter towards our personal tastes.

I've always been kinda meaning to write a story of 'one of the chump Ascians tried to fight the Watcher early on'. Their plan was clearly devised partially by trial and error, and they were deliberately avoiding direct conflict with the Watcher to the point where even Fandaniel and Zenos went indirect, so it stands to reason that someone found out the hard way.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

It's not really something I ignore, but I like to pretend that Venat addressed G'raha Tia specifically for the whole saving The First, us and a whole lot of other people on the source thing.

Why would she thank him? She gave the Warriors of Light crystals knowing what would happen to their world. Ardbert was right to try to put an axe through her head. As Varis would say, "IT WAS BY DESIGN?!"

[Cleretic]

Why would she thank him? She gave the Warriors of Light crystals knowing what would happen to their world. Ardbert was right to try to put an axe through her head. As Varis would say, "IT WAS BY DESIGN?!"

I can't speak for Landslide, but I'd presume that they'd want the scene for a bit of assurance of 'don't worry, there's a way to solve this and I'm on your side', possibly with some commiseration with having once been in a similar position. And possibly confirmation that Hydaelyn... y'know, is still alive at that point, which is still up in the air.

I don't really want this scene, because I think an important part of both Hydaelyn and the 8UC group is that they're not working from some predestined plan, but just working with what they have to try to make a better world, even if it's not one for them to live in. (Hydaelyn explicitly rejected sticking to the course of events we told her, because those events sucked, it's just that her options were limited.) But if what someone wants from that part of the story is aided by seeing it as 'god is on our side, even if nobody else is', they're welcome to see it like that.

Ardbert's immediately angry response is not universal--and I'd hope it wouldn't be, the man's a Warrior, having a short temper is literally his job. G'raha and the Ironworks are unlikely to respond in that way, especially because Ardbert was actually mad that she didn't talk to them at all until stepping in on our behalf, so to him she seemed both high-and-mighty and adversarial. To the 8UC crew, Hydaelyn's instead a known friendly entity that has stepped in in the past, so nothing to get mad at her about.

[RavLandslide]

Why would she thank him? She gave the Warriors of Light crystals knowing what would happen to their world. Ardbert was right to try to put an axe through her head. As Varis would say, "IT WAS BY DESIGN?!"

I don't really understand what that has to do with her thanking G'raha for what he did during Shadowbringers, but I'll try to clarify:

I should've maybe clarified that it's not while we meet Venat, but Hydaelyn. When we go to the Aetherial Sea together with the other Scions.

And my reason for why she'd thank him is because he basically saved the world. He did it together with the Sons of Saint Coinach and the Ironworks, of course, but those people weren't there when we met Hydaelyn. In a perfect story all the Scions would've been personally addressed for what they've done for the Star, but I think G'raha has really done the most considering how he travelled through time and space to prevent the 8th Umbral Calamity.

We don't know for sure if Hydaelyn would have "lost" if he hadn't done that, but we do know that she got a lot closer to "winning" by him doing it.