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    Burmecia's Avatar
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    Jitah'li Habhoka
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    Unfun lore, lore which ruins the fun.

    Fun can be sad and disturbing and violent as well.
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    Midi Ajihri
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    I try to ignore any lore about the Echo or anything that relates to the WoL since it feels inconsistent and seems to be whatever the current writer wants it to be at any given time.

    The best lore is anything to do with smaller things about the world. Stuff like the crazy goldsmith that gets expanded bit-by-bit. Or little things about people’s day-to-day lives.

    Xaela Au Ra have the best lore in the game and most of the tribes are super neat but I’m too much of a coward to play covered in scales and not a fan of the ear horns.
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    The entire existence of Hildibrand.
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    Shalala Shala
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    I am kind of on the opposite side of the fence in terms of Hildibrand. I like to imagine that those quests absolutely occurred as we see them. So far as I know, the power level of the Mandervilles, while stronger than your average person, are not that far out of there compared to all sorts of people we've seen as bosses or in FATEs. Besides, sometimes life just gets weird. I'm sure everyone has had experiences where they have to ask themselves after the fact "Did that just happen?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    Agreed, this is way better than just a blanket 'nuh-uh'. Especially with Hildibrand, which I think brings a lot of interesting lore outside of the actual comedy, just throwing it all out leaves you missing a lot of neat stuff.

    In fact I kinda wish it was real now, just because if it was, there would be a great potential hook of meeting the 'real' Hildibrand and learning, say, the real events around Brandihild.
    What lore did Hildibrand have exactly ? All of the lore are unimportant and disconnected from the main story it might as well be its own universe ? Hmm ?
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    Ein Dose
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenyxRising View Post
    What lore did Hildibrand have exactly ? All of the lore are unimportant and disconnected from the main story it might as well be its own universe ? Hmm ?
    I answered you directly and at length in the other thread you made specifically about this. Without Hildibrand, we would've gotten a good amount of information either much later (like, 'multiple expansions' later) or not at all. Yeah, it's 'disconnected from the main story', but so are the Ivalice raids. Side stories are written to essentially be supplemental to the main story rather than required for them, so that the people who do them learn more things, while the people who skip past them can still understand the main story.
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    That millions of people were purposely and systematically murdered so I could fish and play cactpot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady_Silvermoon View Post
    That millions of people were purposely and systematically murdered so I could fish and play cactpot.
    Welcome to world history: you do that every day.

    Quote Originally Posted by RavLandslide View Post
    It's not really something I ignore, but I like to pretend that Venat addressed G'raha Tia specifically for the whole saving The First, us and a whole lot of other people on the source thing.
    Actually, I find this more fun: small scenes that wouldn't necessarily have changed the 'output' of the story, but would tie things up a little tighter towards our personal tastes.

    I've always been kinda meaning to write a story of 'one of the chump Ascians tried to fight the Watcher early on'. Their plan was clearly devised partially by trial and error, and they were deliberately avoiding direct conflict with the Watcher to the point where even Fandaniel and Zenos went indirect, so it stands to reason that someone found out the hard way.
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    Last edited by Cleretic; 01-03-2024 at 08:52 AM.

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    It's not really something I ignore, but I like to pretend that Venat addressed G'raha Tia specifically for the whole saving The First, us and a whole lot of other people on the source thing.
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    Eiserne Sternschnuppe
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavLandslide View Post
    It's not really something I ignore, but I like to pretend that Venat addressed G'raha Tia specifically for the whole saving The First, us and a whole lot of other people on the source thing.
    Oh yeah I think that'd be cool. I think she shoulda had some words for each of them tbh. And also she should have started the fight in a muddy state like in the cutscene with the black "bile" covering her angelic body. And in the second phase shoulda swapped to the clean state. That's my headcanon cause it would just have been cooler imo.
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