What lore do you ignore?

[shadowclasper]

The whole 'time bubble' that states the entire game and all expansions all take place within a single year.

[Iscah]

The whole 'time bubble' that states the entire game and all expansions all take place within a single year.

The thing with the time bubble is that it is actually acknowledging that our adventures need to play out over several years, but they don't have the budget to adjust character ages and/or don't want to keep time statements on track across sidequests.

[Vyrerus]

I wish I could willfully ignore things regarding XIV.

Things I'd like to ignore include:

Time Bubble
Any mention of Y'shtola being blind
Aenor's last name being Cockburne
The ultimately unresolvable/doomed 8UC timeline
The nothingburger behind the sibling choice in Nier/Nier in general
Every time the lore contradicts itself (Such as the Blessing vs. The Echo)
Misjia being able to replicate Aulus mal Asina's Resonance procedure without killing as many people (there weren't as many body bags around the place).

[Iscah]

The mention of the 8UE timeline above reminds me that it is a thing that I am ignoring/internally rewriting, though perhaps not in the same direction as Vyreus is thinking of.

I'm fine with the time loop and one half of the scenario – Black Rose killing masses of people and dooming the world to a slow death by stasis – but the "eternal age of war" half makes no sense to me. There shouldn't be enough survivors to maintain it.

Also, if it could be fixed as easily as the Unpromised Future side story claims, they never should have been meddling with timelines in the first place, and instead putting all that energy and resources into fixing up their own world. It also cheapens G'raha's efforts and his mourning for those people he left behind.

In my take, so long as no future plot depends on contrary details, they are genuinely doomed and their world is simply falling silent and they are making one last gasp before unpreventable death claims them all. I would probably also cast it as a shorter-term event, not one that can be survived for generations.

[YianKutku]

The entirety of the Yorha raids.

EDIT: Hit post too soon.

The primary issue I have with the Yorha raids is they make themselves ignorable. They link to almost nothing in the greater FFXIV setting, they refer to almost nothing in the greater FFXIV setting, and the greater FFXIV setting refers to nothing in them. The only link is "they take place in a location in the setting, involving some characters who live in that setting".

If I ignore the Yorha raids, I cannot think of any difference that would make to the lore of FFXIV. So there's really no point in my trying to make sense of them in the context of FFXIV, especially since the last few times I asked I was told "it's just Yoko Taro". Which itself is not a useful answer, because that doesn't actually tell me anything.

[Cleretic]

The entirety of the Yorha raids.

EDIT: Hit post too soon.

The primary issue I have with the Yorha raids is they make themselves ignorable. They link to almost nothing in the greater FFXIV setting, they refer to almost nothing in the greater FFXIV setting, and the greater FFXIV setting refers to nothing in them. The only link is "they take place in a location in the setting, involving some characters who live in that setting".

If I ignore the Yorha raids, I cannot think of any difference that would make to the lore of FFXIV. So there's really no point in my trying to make sense of them in the context of FFXIV, especially since the last few times I asked I was told "it's just Yoko Taro". Which itself is not a useful answer, because that doesn't actually tell me anything.

I always saw this as an intentional design facet of it, because it's just not that kind of crossover. These days stuff like the MCU have trained us to consider a crossover as a big landmark not just in spectacle, but also in story: that Captain America Civil War must by nature be a big tentpole story moment for every hero that turns up because it's the one that all the big bucks went into to get all this big names together.

The Nier raids are absolutely crossovers, but they're a much more old-fashioned kind of crossover, where the fact it's a crossover is basically the only noteworthy thing about it; every character there is just doing their normal everyday thing, they just happen to be doing it together this time. It's like when sitcoms have crossovers. So to a degree, yeah, it's absolutely intentional that it's not super groundbreaking or exceptional as far as the story goes: to 2B and 9S this was just another day of fighting the machines, and to the Warrior of Light this was just another day of helping some rando and then weird monsters turned up. It's all in a day's work, and then they all move on.


...besides, people would be even madder if it did turn out to be important. Can you imagine if FFXIV's story suddenly said that now this far-future sci-fi action game is canon to this high fantasy MMO and they're just going to unavoidably force that into the world? Or worse, imagine Nier fans hearing 'this endgame raid in a different series' subscription-based MMO's third expansion is now canon and required reading'. There's a reason those sitcoms didn't cram big story beats into their crossover episodes: because while merging those audiences for one night might've been fun, making Mad About You a requirement for Friends' story to make sense is just a nightmare for long-term audiences.

[FirstGearFirstGear]

The YoRHa raids are a pseudo-sequel to Nier: Automata. One of the endings of that game has the minds of its characters being uploaded into the sphere that then launches off into the cosmos in search of new worlds. One of the fears expressed by other characters is that the central conflict of Automata will simply be repeated on whatever world the sphere arrives at. Well, the sphere landed on the First and that's exactly what happened. In a way, not understanding what is going on is appropriate because the WoL and the dwarves are only seeing a tiny fraction of a larger story that's been going on long before they came to Norvrandt and will continue long after the raid is finished.

But you're right, the raid series is mostly it's own self-contained story that doesn't really matter to the wider setting or narrative. If you wanted to ignore something in FF14's lore, Dark Apocalypse is a good choice.

[Shadotterdan]

The YoRHa raids are a pseudo-sequel to Nier: Automata. One of the endings of that game has the minds of its characters being uploaded into the sphere that then launches off into the cosmos in search of new worlds. One of the fears expressed by other characters is that the central conflict of Automata will simply be repeated on whatever world the sphere arrives at. Well, the sphere landed on the First and that's exactly what happened. In a way, not understanding what is going on is appropriate because the WoL and the dwarves are only seeing a tiny fraction of a larger story that's been going on long before they came to Norvrandt and will continue long after the raid is finished.

But you're right, the raid series is mostly it's own self-contained story that doesn't really matter to the wider setting or narrative. If you wanted to ignore something in FF14's lore, Dark Apocalypse is a good choice.

So far as I can tell, that's not how it goes. The sphere the machines and 9s went into, and the sphere in the crossover are different things.

The sphere in the raid is more related to the world of Drakengard. It is a sphere of destruction, sent by the watchers to enact their multiversal plans. Anything beyond that though is so patchy it might as well be wild speculation. My going theory is that timelines/dimensions the watchers have taken over then have an area displaced into another dimension along with at least one seed so they can have their agents go to work in the new dimension.

[Necrotica]

I wish I could willfully ignore things regarding XIV.

Things I'd like to ignore include:

Time Bubble
Any mention of Y'shtola being blind
Aenor's last name being Cockburne
The ultimately unresolvable/doomed 8UC timeline
The nothingburger behind the sibling choice in Nier/Nier in general
Every time the lore contradicts itself (Such as the Blessing vs. The Echo)
Misjia being able to replicate Aulus mal Asina's Resonance procedure without killing as many people (there weren't as many body bags around the place).

The FF14 writers ignore the lore of Yshtola being blind. You should feel free to do so as well.

[dragoelete]

The FF14 writers ignore the lore of Yshtola being blind. You should feel free to do so as well.

not true the writers arent ignoring it she is in fact blind as far as normal sight is concerned (ie color) instead he has the ability to "see" aether like emet and hythlodeus. but it was stated by matoya that by useing that ability she is actively shortening her lifespan(prolly do to being sundered since emet didnt seem to have that issue). so prolly doesnt always have it active. this was all stated in the .x section of HW if i remember right.