Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
Ok.
I want you to go away and read the Tipitaka or the Zen Sutra's, and then come back and explain to me why Buddhism is evil.
Then go away and read Thomas Moore's Utopia, and tell me why his critique is wrong and why absolute perfection is both attainable and the only thing that matters.

If you can't do that, you're not disagreeing, you're missing the point.
I look forward to you calling an entire religion evil.

No one is glorifying freezing children or fetishizing suffering, and you are missing. the. point. No actually you're wilfully misrepresenting it, if you're claiming that's what is happening here.
I could call quite a few religions evil. Lot of pagan tribes that practiced human sacrifice and what not.

But to address the problem with how this game fetishizes suffering, it does not define the end point. Venat does not want the Ancients to rebuild their society and save those trapped within Zodiark and unable to re-enter the aetherial sea. She sees these acts as a rejection of suffering and believes Ancient society should move forward as is. They are not allowed to rebuild, they are not allowed to save their loved ones. They must suffer because to her that has moral value. They are supposed to accept and overcome the bad that happens.

Except post sundering she empowers heros to stop suffering. There was too much.

We are now left with the question of how much suffering is the correct amount according to the Supreme Goddess. She never tells us. Because she doesn't know. Because the whole premise is stupid.

"To ignore the plight of those one might conceivably save is not wisdom─it is indolence."

The game pushed this phrase during the patch content leading up to Endwalker. Venat did not save the Ancients. She killed them. She did not teach them. She did not show them a way to build new that did not require sacrificing others. Her perfect vegan Utopia that also somehow never killed any other life to include plants was never shown. Instead she created a world where countless more die constantly.

If Venat wanted to go suffer alone in a hut, fine. She can do her own thing. The problem came when she forced her beliefs on others in a bloody crusade.