[Housing] 1 House Per Service Account. 1 FC Per Service Account.

[Moonsprite]

Remind me again why people don’t want instanced housing, but come up with ideas like OP? I wish people would stop trying to punish players because of the housing systems poor design. The absolute only thing that is going to solve the FFXIV housing crisis is instanced housing. No matter how many ways people try to limit, demolish, punish people who already own a home, there will never be enough plots for everyone. The answer is simple, allow people who want instanced housing to have it and the people who refuse can live in the neighborhoods that already exist.

[Renathras]

Remind me again why people don’t want instanced housing, but come up with ideas like OP? I wish people would stop trying to punish players because of the housing systems poor design. The absolute only thing that is going to solve the FFXIV housing crisis is instanced housing. No matter how many ways people try to limit, demolish, punish people who already own a home, there will never be enough plots for everyone. The answer is simple, allow people who want instanced housing to have it and the people who refuse can live in the neighborhoods that already exist.

Do you know what "instanced housing" actually is? Can you describe "instanced housing" and how it will let people have houses they can customize the external and internal spaces of that are shared with the world?

Because if you think that, you don't understand what "instanced housing" actually is.

Not to mention it probably wouldn't work with the back-end they have in FFXIV. If it did, they'd have done it by now.

The OP change is at least working within the existing system while trying to fix some of the supply issues by breaking hoarder gaming of the system issues.

EDIT:

-Clear 1 savage fight of current patch (so you can't unsync Shb for example)

Some of your other ideas are bad (if there's a small friend/family group that's pretty casual and a lot of members don't play often, you're saying they should be excluded from owning a house?), but this one takes the cake. What does clearing a Savage fight have to do with hosing? o.O

EDIT2:

I mentioned this on another thread, but there's another massive bugbear SE would need to reckon with to swap to instanced housing too -- transitioning. From my viewpoint, there is absolutely no way to transition to instance housing without pissing off a large part of the playerbase either immediately or over time.

I think a lot of the people proposing "solutions" forget this. There are people pissed off now, but if you take all the people who have ever done housing, the ones who have done it for years, the people for whom housing actually IS a selling point of the game (so we're all clear: Housing is not a "main selling point" of FFXIV...some small number of people, sure, but that's probably eclipsed by the number of people that only get to level 15 to play Mahjong and that's their entire reason for playing FFXIV), then things would go nuclear. Not to mention all the coding that would have to be put in JUST for the transition. Even if it was a simple "everything is destroyed (housing and aparements) and people are given a special storage that gets ALL of the items AND they get a full refund for all the prices, that would already go over extremely poorly.

The technical problems are most likely the real issue, but many of the proposed solutions would make things far, far worse than what we have now.

They could do a side-by-side thing...but that probably wouldn't work that well. That's basically what Apartments and Island Sanctuary are, and neither has managed to scratch the housing itch.

[Moonsprite]

Do you know what "instanced housing" actually is? Can you describe "instanced housing" and how it will let people have houses they can customize the external and internal spaces of that are shared with the world?

Because if you think that, you don't understand what "instanced housing" actually is.

Not to mention it probably wouldn't work with the back-end they have in FFXIV. If it did, they'd have done it by now.

The OP change is at least working within the existing system while trying to fix some of the supply issues by breaking hoarder gaming of the system issues.

When I say instanced housing I mean a house with a yard, no neighborhood. They added island sanctuaries so they could have added instanced housing. I understand technically the neighborhoods are instanced. The idea that they would have already if they could is not true. They created a fully immersive island with crops, livestock, buildings, etc They can’t make an instanced house by itself?

The real issue is they want the neighborhoods so the players feel like a community. It doesn’t work that way anyway. I have lived in the same spot for over 6 years. I rarely see even one person for months in my own ward. My server is considered congested too. My FC, we only see each other most the time. It’s been weeks since I’ve seen another person there too. So these immersive communities don’t exist in most wards and it’s just causing stress and frustration for players who want a house. If enough people say they want it then they’ll probably do it. What I dislike is people targeting each other instead of the system itself. It’s a bad system and island sanctuaries prove they can do it, they just didn’t want to.

Edit: I’d like to add that instanced neighborhoods rather than houses could be a sub incentive. It’s quite possible that’s a motivating factor. If people have instanced houses instead, there is no need for demolition, no demolition and players might not stay subbed. Before people defend that I’d like to remind them we pay for retainers just for inventory space.

[Pablomaldito]

Do you know what "instanced housing" actually is? Can you describe "instanced housing" and how it will let people have houses they can customize the external and internal spaces of that are shared with the world?

Instanced housing is simply housing that is not persistently loaded in the game servers, and is only needed when entered by a player. Apartments and all house interiors are already instanced. What this game needs to implement for instanced housing are instanced exteriors and a directory from which to access them, like apartments.

This could be implemented without having to demolish the wards. Players would simply choose between a ward house, which has the advantage of having an exterior in a persistent neighborhood, or an instanced house, which would offer the player the choice of size without competition and perhaps immunity from auto demolish.

[Johners]

Do you know what "instanced housing" actually is? Can you describe "instanced housing" and how it will let people have houses they can customize the external and internal spaces of that are shared with the world?

Because if you think that, you don't understand what "instanced housing" actually is.

Not to mention it probably wouldn't work with the back-end they have in FFXIV. If it did, they'd have done it by now.

The OP change is at least working within the existing system while trying to fix some of the supply issues by breaking hoarder gaming of the system issues.

Instanced housing should be like New World, a generic appearance from the outside and then your (or someone else's house) once you go inside. Apartments already work like that but could apply it further.

• Rather than 30 housing wards, you have one housing zone for each area
• Each housing zone is populated with generic, lore/zone friendly exteriors
• You walk up to a placard, say plot 1 and then enter the version of the house you wish to see
• The interior/exterior is then contained within an instance
• The exterrior is blocked in by invisible walls and you interact with the gate to leave

[VerdeLuck]

Remind me again why people don’t want instanced housing, but come up with ideas like OP? I wish people would stop trying to punish players because of the housing systems poor design. The absolute only thing that is going to solve the FFXIV housing crisis is instanced housing. No matter how many ways people try to limit, demolish, punish people who already own a home, there will never be enough plots for everyone. The answer is simple, allow people who want instanced housing to have it and the people who refuse can live in the neighborhoods that already exist.

We have come to the conclusion that they will never do instanced housing. Yoshi-p had said multiple times it directly conflicts with his and the developers' vision of housing for it to be instanced. They want it to be a perpetual public space for wards, and for housing to be both rare and a status symbol. With both of those, we can pretty readily conclude that they will not put instance housing in the game other than in a heavily stripped down fashion like apartments. The only thing left to do is to accept this ward system and to try to find ways to limit or reduce greedy players' ability to hoard what is a limited supply status symbol.

There also is the dilemma about having ward housing alongside instanced housing. If both are allowed to exist together, one would be superior (most likely ward housing) so people would still just fight over that one if it was in limited supply. Why have an instanced house if you can try to go for a ward house that has more features?
And on the other hand, if instanced housing was limited to people who didn't have ward housing and had better features, there would be plenty of angry people. It's quite a lot of issues stacked up that would have to be navigated, and based on how apartments are recieved by the community, it probably wouldn't be worth it.