It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Bobby66]

Same here. I feel easier to reach a common ground with conversations like this. As at some level, the argument of some that they would at least like to get through the story, with it's sincere moments, without a bikini or frog suit is something I can relate to.

Same, I am was one of those people that wears the frog helmet all the time on my main, and I have been asked if I could remove my headgear. I did not, but tbh that is why I support this feature I rather someone have the option to hide what they do not want to see then feel as if they simply just have to suck it up or stop playing. While, I also do not think I should have to remove my helmet to cater to someone's else experience.

This just seems like a happy middle ground imo. Though I do understand why others feel differently, glamour and their characters offer different value. For some this may be the only space where they can safely express themselves I get it, but it does go both ways and I do hope those who wish this find a means to obtain the desired game state they long for.

[ty_taurus]

This just seems like a happy middle ground imo. Though I do understand why others feel differently, glamour and their characters offer different value. For some this may be the only space where they can safely express themselves I get it, but it does go both ways and I do hope those who wish this find a means to obtain the desired game state they long for.

It's not a happy middle ground though. I've brought up that it creates as much of a problem for me as the apparent perceived distaste for other people's glamours has seemed to be a problem for others. But everyone's response to my concern is, "you shouldn't feel that way" without compromise. I've offered compromises... A glamour-free server, the ability to only engage with players who do or do not hide glamour... everyone spat on those.

If that's how it's gonna be, then my response to those who are bothered by other people's glamour is, have you tried not being bothered by what other people are wearing?

[Joven]

It's not a happy middle ground though. I've brought up that it creates as much of a problem for me as the apparent perceived distaste for other people's glamours has seemed to be a problem for others. But everyone's response to my concern is, "you shouldn't feel that way" without compromise. I've offered compromises... A glamour-free server, the ability to only engage with players who do or do not hide glamour... everyone spat on those.

If that's how it's gonna be, then my response to those who are bothered by other people's glamour is, have you tried not being bothered by what other people are wearing?

Because your ideas force a certain limit on other people while this idea doesn't. That's why they were rejected.

[ty_taurus]

Because your ideas force a certain limit on other people while this idea doesn't. That's why they were rejected.

That's your perception perhaps. Doesn't mean that it's true. I find it incredibly limiting, actually and insulting that my concerns aren't worth your time. Your concerns are worth everyone's time of course, but mine?

[Joven]

That's your perception perhaps. Doesn't mean that it's true. I find it incredibly limiting, actually and insulting that my concerns aren't worth your time. Your concerns are worth everyone's time of course, but mine?

How exactly is it limiting you though? The only limit is the one you're imposing upon yourself.

[ty_taurus]

How exactly is it limiting you though? The only limit is the one you're imposing upon yourself.

I could say the same for you. Aren't you imposing your dislike of others' glamour something you've imposed on yourself? It bothers me to have my character viewed as wearing ugly clothes by other players. It bothers you that some players wear glamour you don't like. It's the same thing spun differently.

[Joven]

I could say the same for you. Aren't you imposing your dislike of others' glamour something you've imposed on yourself? It bothers me to have my character viewed as wearing ugly clothes by other players. It bothers you that some players wear glamour you don't like. It's the same thing spun differently.

You're twisting what's being said for some silly "gotcha" moment. You want to impose limits on people who would use this feature while those who would use it impose no limits on you. If you feel limited by the idea that some people aren't seeing your glam then that's a limit you've imposed upon yourself.

[Bobby66]

It's not a happy middle ground though. I've brought up that it creates as much of a problem for me as the apparent perceived distaste for other people's glamours has seemed to be a problem for others. But everyone's response to my concern is, "you shouldn't feel that way" without compromise. I've offered compromises... A glamour-free server, the ability to only engage with players who do or do not hide glamour... everyone spat on those.

If that's how it's gonna be, then my response to those who are bothered by other people's glamour is, have you tried not being bothered by what other people are wearing?

By no means do I mean to dismiss your feelings but let us be fair both stances are for the most part purely selfish, but you have to see how you suggestion is far more selfish then those in favor of the option? As per my example are you really going to say having a no glamour server or a queue that splits those that have it on and off is much better solution then having an option that simply toggles glamour off?

As her your last statement, same could be said for you, have you tried to not be bothered by the mere possibly that someone may not want to see how your character looks? Like I could create a character on your server and alter how your character looks you would never know who it is, can you really say with a straight that face that it would bother you to know that someone right now is altering how your character looks?

[Bobby66]

By no means do I mean to dismiss your feelings but let us be fair both stances are for the most part purely selfish, but you have to see how you suggestion is far more selfish then those in favor of the option? As per my example are you really going to say having a no glamour server or a queue that splits those that have it on and off is much better solution then having an option that simply toggles glamour off?

As her your last statement, same could be said for you, have you tried to not be bothered by the mere possibly that someone may not want to see how your character looks? Like I could create a character on your server and alter how your character looks you would never know who it is, can you really say with a straight that face that it would bother you to know that someone right now is altering how your character looks?

I could say the same for you. Aren't you imposing your dislike of others' glamour something you've imposed on yourself? It bothers me to have my character viewed as wearing ugly clothes by other players. It bothers you that some players wear glamour you don't like. It's the same thing spun differently.

Okay this is getting old, answer this primary question, how would you know people are seeing your character in some ugly outfit?

[ty_taurus]

By no means do I mean to dismiss your feelings but let us be fair both stances are for the most part purely selfish, but you have to see how you suggestion is far more selfish then those in favor of the option? As per my example are you really going to say having a no glamour server or a queue that splits those that have it on and off is much better solution then having an option that simply toggles glamour off?

How is it more selfish? If glamour is something that may or may not actually do anything depending on the player, then it means I have to make sure that the gear I wear is gear I like the look of and that looks together, which means I can't actually access BiS gear, which directly interfers with my gameplay. I wouldn't mind the Euphrosyne gear, but I can only get 1 piece per week. To get a full set to actually look good will end up taking way too much time. I don't want to be seen a certain way. I'd rather you just substitute my character with a randomly generated grand company NPC.

And how would creating a no-glamour server be worse than that? You get an entire server dedicated to that style of RP. How is that selfish or limiting?

Okay this is getting old, answer this primary question, how would you know people are seeing your character in some ugly outfit?

Because the option exists, therefore it's being used. It doesn't matter who specifically is using it.