My take on the simplicity of healers and the healer problem

[Deceptus]

I know this is incredibly stupid. But just like how AST gets MP back on using cards, can't SCH just have MP gain on any Aetherflow skill they use? :T

Like...

idk how broken that'd be, but I also doubt we're building a meta around MP generation. If we are... the hell are we doing, how did it come to this???

When Energy Drain was removed a lot of SCH's asked that exact question. Why not put MP on any ability that used aetherflow?

CBU3's Response?

Leave SCH the way it is and put that exact mechanic on the new job, Sage.

[Midareyukki]

When Energy Drain was removed a lot of SCH's asked that exact question. Why not put MP on any ability that used aetherflow?

CBU3's Response?

Leave SCH the way it is and put that exact mechanic on the new job, Sage.

Oh...

...wait, so Scholars are the Hrothgar Race of the healers?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Oh...

...wait, so Scholars are the Hrothgar Race of the healers?

Bruh, honestly I think the entire healer role is the hrothgar of all existing roles.

[Coatl]

When Energy Drain was removed a lot of SCH's asked that exact question. Why not put MP on any ability that used aetherflow?

CBU3's Response?

Leave SCH the way it is and put that exact mechanic on the new job, Sage.

Everyone was so excited about SGE. When I saw abilities I thought...did they really just copy paste SCH into a new class and called it a day? They took the little smidge of innovation they could think to add to SCH and crammed it into SGE instead.

The healer role is doomed.

[Tint]

Everyone was so excited about SGE. When I saw abilities I thought...did they really just copy paste SCH into a new class and called it a day? They took the little smidge of innovation they could think to add to SCH and crammed it into SGE instead.

The healer role is doomed.

Didn't they did the same thing when they added AST back then? Just copy/pasted WHM and added the card system to it? >.>

[ASkellington]

Didn't they did the same thing when they added AST back then? Just copy/pasted WHM and added the card system to it? >.>

AST thankfully has branched out since and even back then it had Noct Sect. That said, yes it did and still does share the lv50 WHM kit. Literally just make ED 3min and it's a carbon copy of WHM with cards right now.

[VerdeLuck]

AST thankfully has branched out since and even back then it had Noct Sect. That said, yes it did and still does share the lv50 WHM kit. Literally just make ED 3min and it's a carbon copy of WHM with cards right now.

And somehow they manage to be unable to balance 2 almost identical skillsets without AST being WHM, but better every patch.

[Rilifane]

And somehow they manage to be unable to balance 2 almost identical skillsets without AST being WHM, but better every patch.

As long a they place so much emphasis on buff stacking and 2min burst meta, they never will.
Because the only way to make WHM (and SGE) competetive would be by giving it a proper burst but that would include adding buttons that deal damage instead of yet another generic oGCD heal nobody asked for. As long as they split healers between "11111" and "11111 but with a cool buff everyone loves you for", WHM and SGE will always fall behind in dps over the expansion and be the 2nd choice for groups that go for pushing dps unless really early into tier when people are happy to have some crafted gear. Give it 2-3 weeks and they're left in the dust. And putting Assize on 40s to align with 2min didn't fix it either. Consistent dps is just not competetive as long as we have this 2min burst meta but that's what all healers are. Having a Phlegma or an Assize doesn't change anything.

[VerdeLuck]

As long a they place so much emphasis on buff stacking and 2min burst meta, they never will.
Because the only way to make WHM (and SGE) competetive would be by giving it a proper burst but that would include adding buttons that deal damage instead of yet another generic oGCD heal nobody asked for. As long as they split healers between "11111" and "11111 but with a cool buff everyone loves you for", WHM and SGE will always fall behind in dps over the expansion and be the 2nd choice for groups that go for pushing dps unless really early into tier when people are happy to have some crafted gear. Give it 2-3 weeks and they're left in the dust. And putting Assize on 40s to align with 2min didn't fix it either. Consistent dps is just not competetive as long as we have this 2min burst meta but that's what all healers are. Having a Phlegma or an Assize doesn't change anything.

Then it seems like it's time to give WHM and SGE 2 minute buff skills so they can contribute to burst as well. AST and SCH being head and shoulders above the others becasue they have 2 minute burst, but also all the capabilities (if not more utility, shielding, and mit) seems like a bad way to balance the healers.

[Coatl]

Didn't they did the same thing when they added AST back then? Just copy/pasted WHM and added the card system to it? >.>

It's been about 8 years from that point in time, and HW was a bit spotty with it's class designs to say the least. The comparison should be against the other lv90 healers as they are now, not to lv60 AST as it was back then.