It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Denji]

my personal take on silly/crazy glams is that if magic existed irl and so did all the sort of base elements of story/background that make the universe ffxiv takes place in then there would absolutely be those people who would dye themselves neon blue and shart brown and run around in a mascot head, punching gods in the face while doing a fortnite dance simply because they could.

"silly" doesn't mean unrealistic. if there are people like that irl now (without the magic and punching gods in the face) then there would be people like that in ffxiv's universe, too.

[Eraden]

If you don’t know me, don’t interact with me, don’t socialize with me nor I do any of that with you, why is it so important to identify yourself to me when I’m never going to give you a second thought? We do not matter to each other yet this vanity necessitates that I must recognize your identity

(RP mode off) Because it is what human beings are. It is a fundamental part of our social structure and it exists in nearly every endeavor we engage in. Clothing, music, art, etc., human beings have an instinctive need to express themselves to others. So much so that in real life there are often LAWS implemented to PROTECT that ability to express oneself. Human beings DO matter to each other. I am going to turn your statement around on you and suggest that it is narcissism that allows for the making of statements such as the ones you have just presented. Shutting down the ability of others to express themselves to you is a selfish act. If you do not like how they express themselves, you have the right to ignore them. You do not have the right, however, to strip them of that self identity. Not in real life and not, as of yet, in FFXIV. At least not without the use of third party mods.

[VerdeLuck]

(RP mode off) Because it is what human beings are. It is a fundamental part of our social structure and it exists in nearly every endeavor we engage in. Clothing, music, art, etc., human beings have an instinctive need to express themselves to others. So much so that in real life there are often LAWS implemented to PROTECT that ability to express oneself. Human beings DO matter to each other. I am going to turn your statement around on you and suggest that it is narcissism that allows for the making of statements such as the ones you have just presented. Shutting down the ability of others to express themselves to you is a selfish act. If you do not like how they express themselves, you have the right to ignore them. You do not have the right, however, to strip them of that self identity. Not in real life and not, as of yet, in FFXIV. At least not without the use of third party mods.

No, what it does is avoid situations where people are forced into it. If people are forced to interact with things they don't like it breeds anger and confrontation. If someone spams sound effect messages in a duty I'm in and I can't blacklist them or mute their messages guess what? There's going to be a confrontation about it. They can think their stuff is so unique, original, and creative, but if people are forced to interact with something they don't like then there will be push back and possibly confrontations about it.

What self-moderating tools like this do is cut it off before it gets to that by letting people just ignore things that they don't like. There's no need to have an argument over it if you just sidestep that by letting people avoid things they don't like. It doesn't remove anything from you unless you're a troll whos fun relies on getting negative reactions out of other people, the people who like what you do are still there.

[Joven]

Keep reading. Already answered this.

Also, how is forcing my character into another outfit that he's not wearing not control?

The only reason they are not allowed is because of the more "risque" possibilities that mods offer. If your character was in a simple robe or armor that matches your class how would that be a problem? Are you that worried that others will think lesser of you because your character appears different on someone else's screen?

Because it's not controlling you directly. It's not "forcing" anything.

Wrongs. So very wrongs. Glammings are way to express self. It is way to show identity to others. Turnings that off prevents them from doings that. Is incredibly self centered to thinks that is not the case.

It's self centered to think that everyone has to see or care about your "expression". And once again it's not turning anything off for the person who wants to "express" themselves. I don't know how many times I have to reiterate that point.

[Kolaina]

(RP mode off) Because it is what human beings are. It is a fundamental part of our social structure and it exists in nearly every endeavor we engage in. Clothing, music, art, etc., human beings have an instinctive need to express themselves to others. So much so that in real life there are often LAWS implemented to PROTECT that ability to express oneself. Human beings DO matter to each other. I am going to turn your statement around on you and suggest that it is narcissism that allows for the making of statements such as the ones you have just presented. Shutting down the ability of others to express themselves to you is a selfish act. If you do not like how they express themselves, you have the right to ignore them. You do not have the right, however, to strip them of that self identity. Not in real life and not, as of yet, in FFXIV. At least not without the use of third party mods.

Do you feel the need to express yourself to every person you walk by? Do they need to recognize your outfit and be able to pick you out of a crowd?

No one is taking glamour away from you.

Only that those who don’t care, who shouldn’t matter to you because you don’t to them, can go about ignoring it further.

To touch on your laws, yes they exist. They exist to ensure people have rights, and one of those rights includes safety. Turning off your glamour does not violate your rights or make you unsafe.

There are also laws that protect people from invasive expression. Like indecent exposure laws being an obvious example. Please don’t think I’m using public nudity as a comparison to a persons glamour. The forums like to twist things. It’s merely a counterpoint.

[Tehmon]

It's not really that hard to understand. An option in-game to alter another person's appearance even if it's just on your side makes people uncomfortable. This is true to mods as well. Whether it's a logical reaction or not is another matter entirely, but I dare say requiring an option to hide other peoples glamour options isn't exactly brimming with logic either, especially since the game is a MMO and one if it's appeals is the ability to make any sort of character you wish and perceive other players doing so as well. Surely you must've realized that before hitting install.

[MaxCarnage]

Anyway I had you on ignore from months ago and back on it you go.

You toggled off something you don't like (in this case, blocking Kolaina), why can't other people toggle off what they don't like? Or is it only okay when you do it? /thinking

[Joven]

You toggled off something you don't like (in this case, blocking Kolaina), why can't other people toggle off what they don't like? Or is it only okay when you do it? /thinking

That's what I was thinking too. They're more than happy to silence or censor someone they don't approve of but heavens forbid someone do it to them.

[VerdeLuck]

It's not really that hard to understand. An option in-game to alter another person's appearance even if it's just on your side makes people uncomfortable. This is true to mods as well. Whether it's a logical reaction or not is another matter entirely, but I dare say requiring an option to hide other peoples glamour options isn't exactly brimming with logic either, especially since the game is a MMO and one if it's appeals is the ability to make any sort of character you wish. Surely you must've realized that before hitting install.

Guild Wars 2 manages to do just fine as an MMO with this feature. It's not out of the ordinary for people on here to look at other MMOs and request features that other MMOs have either. It just seems to have an initial visceral reaction that causes rage in people, the idea that their glam they're so proud of, might be something other people find ugly or annoying.
I mentioned chat macros in another reply, it's the same there. I've had many people in roulettes, party finder, etc who have dropped sound effect messages over and over or witty macros about people parsing low when someone eats a mechanic, and they are shocked, absolutely shocked when someone asks them to stop. The idea that their funny, witty jokes aren't actually that funny causes a visceral reaction in them that they have to push back and lash out on whoever asked, no matter how nice they ask. I imagine it's the exact same with the people who are so adamant that this discussion be shut down immediately. The idea that their shirtless glam or Swimsuit Roe glam isn't that funny or cool as they think upsets them and they want ot be told that people actually like it and don't want to hear that yes, people do want to hide their character for it.

[MaxCarnage]

It's not really that hard to understand. An option in-game to alter another person's appearance even if it's just on your side makes people uncomfortable. This is true to mods as well. Whether it's a logical reaction or not is another matter entirely, but I dare say requiring an option to hide other peoples glamour options isn't exactly brimming with logic either, especially since the game is a MMO and one if it's appeals is the ability to make any sort of character you wish and perceive other players doing so as well. Surely you must've realized that before hitting install.

Yes, but I cannot fathom why just the thought of not being seen riles people up so much. I should clarify that I do not feel the need for this feature myself. I like looking at glamours for inspiration and I am able to ignore the ones that make me roll my eyes. But when it comes down to it, while this is a game, an MMO, as people like to remind others, everyone playing it is a real person. With real thoughts, feelings, likes, dislikes. So just like the reality outside of the game, people are allowed to have their own individual values in the game. This contrast of values does not have to impede on each other. People will still be able to express themselves, just not to the ones who don't want to be expressed to. This is called mutual respect. Wanna dress a Hrothgar in a bikini? Fine. Don't want to see it? Fine. Both get to do what they choose. Expression goes both ways. It's not about favouring the side you are on, but respecting the side you don't necessarily agree with or understand.