It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[ZephyrMenodora]

This should never be a thing. This is an MMO, and all glamor options are things the game provides. Character expression in a shared gaming world is one of the most important aspects in an MMO, hence a lot of MMOs having cash shops designed around this fundamental concept.

I don't love every glamor, and I'm sure there are those who don't love mine, but its part of being in an MMO. Despite 300 pages of arguing I doubt they'd ever do this, nor should they.

[Krotoan]

You're doing a significant amount of reading into my meaning based off of such a short post. I said no such thing about forcing people to engage with me or my character.

I asked you very specifically to clarify:
"So it's important to you that people, even if they actively dislike what you chose, HAVE to see it? "
and you said that that was the ENTIRE point of the glamour system. If you want to use a different word than engage we can use "experience" or "perceive", but it's all the same to me. You have a problem with a system that allows people NOT to see you because you feel the entire point of dressing a certain way is the GUARANTEED perception of others.

It's not a matter of me needing my character to be seen, it's a matter of if my character is seen that there is a particular way I want them to be seen as looking. No one is being forced to look at my character, nor would I want them to be. Again, this is the entire point of the glamour system, otherwise glamours would have been designed to only be seen by the person using them.

The fact that glamours CAN be seen by other people is because there is a social aspect. This does not mean it's their entire function. I would however like to remind you that yes, people ARE forced to look at your character when in instances with you and when you stick yourself in their view (intentionally or not). People DO like showing off their outfits and things and I can understand why that's enjoyable, I cannot understand why you'd NEED people who do not wish to participate in this aspect to do so and even the IDEA that they could opt out lessens the enjoyment.

This is also a bit of an odd position to take as well. Do you consider when you're out in public in real life

STOP. Right there. Stop. This is not real life. This is a video game. This is an INCREDIBLY SALIENT POINT. This world and how it is experienced, the rules and physics, and the REALITY of it need to be perceived through the lens of that. Do not apply real life rules here. They do not apply.

I don't see the glamour system being any different.

You really REALLY should. Because being unable to understand the differences between a video game and reality is unhealthy.

And yes you could make an argument about inappropriate attire. But I'll defer back to the point that I consider anything SE has added to the game outfit wise as within the bounds of appropriate, otherwise they shouldn't have added it into the game as obtainable and glamourable attire if they deemed otherwise.

I never mentioned "inappropriate". This is not my take. I argue that customization of personal experience on personal hardware is important and valuable for any gamer for a variety of reasons. If I want to play the game and enhance my personal experience by excluding what I consider undesirable visuals, I should be able to. I also should be able to reduce the demand on my hardware to make the experience optimal in a variety of ways.

It needs to be an equal exchange I think.

If you want to display other characters in generic attire, you'd have to in turn forfeit being able to show off your glamour to others and appear in genetic attire on their screens as well.

Because? Why? They're welcome to use the same feature of course, but why do you want to mark people? So you know SPECIFICALLY who cannot see you?

[ReynTime]

It needs to be an equal exchange I think.

If you want to display other characters in generic attire, you'd have to in turn forfeit being able to show off your glamour to others and appear in genetic attire on their screens as well.

I'd be 100% OK with that and was even considering commenting this.

I haven't glam'd in a long, long while and wouldn't care if I forfeit the ability to do so.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

So your reply to my question is a question, instead of answering? You're essentially telling me that I'm not allowed to be bothered by something and simultaneously conceding that there's no harm in implementing this feature. You're advocating for me to 'look away' which would alter their visual appearance on my screen, since they would be gone from my screen. Yet you won't stomach the thought of being able to hide glamours.

I guess people should just not be bothered about anything, then. Don't be bothered that headware for Viera/Hrothgar still hasn't been fixed, or any plethora of other grievances aired on these forums. These people should just not be bothered and go about their day.

It wasn't directed at me. You didnt quote me, or name me, so I wasn't at liberty to answer. Cause you could have been talking to anybody.
And no, dont put words in my mouth, I never said that at any capacity. I shouldn't have to repeat myself because Ive been pretty clear about this already....I have no power and dont dictate what is put into the game, none of us do. If this feature is put in, its up to the Devs, Director, and the company. If it IS there...whatever. But in my opinion I think its a silly feature. Because Glamours in a Videogame, are not that different from Fashion IRL. If you dont like it...ah well, just look away and go on about your day.

Putting said feature in game doesn't harm anybody, the same can be said that not caring and looking away from Glams you don't like doesn't harm anybody.
However one feature takes less dev time and is cheaper then the other option.

Hrothgar/Viera and other general grievances have nothing to do with this conversation; Hiding Glamours. Be better if you stayed on topic instead of dragging in other unrelated topics.

I'd be 100% OK with that and was even considering commenting this.

I haven't glam'd in a long, long while and wouldn't care if I forfeit the ability to do so.

You dont need to Sir.
You are Transmoged as the Great Mandervile man!

[Eisi]

I never mentioned "inappropriate". This is not my take. I argue that customization of personal experience on personal hardware is important and valuable for any gamer for a variety of reasons. If I want to play the game and enhance my personal experience by excluding what I consider undesirable visuals, I should be able to. I also should be able to reduce the demand on my hardware to make the experience optimal in a variety of ways.

Since it's an MMO, would you be willing to have your character in turn be dressed in default gear for everyone else as you choose that option?

I think that would be only fair. If other players don't get to show off their glam to you, you should not be able to show off yours.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Since it's an MMO, would you be willing to have your character in turn be dressed in default gear for everyone else as you choose that option?

I think that would be only fair. If other players don't get to show off their glam to you, you should not be able to show off yours.

Know what?...at this point, get rid of gear and glamour alttogether, and everyone is restricted to a singular gearset and everyone looks the same
Get rid of all freedom of expression, because people dont like how others dress.

[Zabuza]

It wasn't directed at me. You didnt quote me, or name me, so I wasn't at liberty to answer. Cause you could have been talking to anybody.
And no, dont put words in my mouth, I never said that at any capacity. I shouldn't have to repeat myself because Ive been pretty clear about this already....I have no power and dont dictate what is put into the game, none of us do. If this feature is put in, its up to the Devs, Director, and the company. If it IS there...whatever. But in my opinion I think its a silly feature. Because Glamours in a Videogame, are not that different from Fashion IRL. If you dont like it...ah well, just look away and go on about your day.

Putting said feature in game doesn't harm anybody, the same can be said that not caring and looking away from Glams you don't like doesn't harm anybody.
However one feature takes less dev time and is cheaper then the other option.

Hrothgar/Viera and other general grievances have nothing to do with this conversation; Hiding Glamours. Be better if you stayed on topic instead of dragging in other unrelated topics.

Well, telling people to just go about their day is dismissing their issues with this. Everyone has things they are bothered by. I merely brought in the Hrothgar/Viera thing to highlight that point. It seems that people are bothered by seeing glamours they do not wish to see are being dismissed, while others grievances aired on this forum are more readily accepted. I wasn't trying to derail the thread so much as draw a comparison there. There are threads on the forums of people complaining about things that seem trivial to me, but I don't go into their threads and just dismissively tell them to go about their day and deal with it.

[Krotoan]

Since it's an MMO, would you be willing to have your character in turn be dressed in default gear for everyone else as you choose that option?

I think that would be only fair. If other players don't get to show off their glam to you, you should not be able to show off yours.

I don't have a problem with it personally but feel that would:

1. Cause additional distress for those who especially value being perceived as they would see EXACTLY who wasn't seeing them.

2. Cause targeting of those who were in basic outfits and additional griefing by those who now know these individuals are actively avoiding other players "expression".


Further I don't see how this is "fair" in any sense. Why is there a "punishment" for using an option? Why does someone changing what amounts to a setting on their computer warrant some sort of indicator?

[VerdeLuck]

It needs to be an equal exchange I think.

If you want to display other characters in generic attire, you'd have to in turn forfeit being able to show off your glamour to others and appear in genetic attire on their screens as well.

Why? that just seems like a spiteful concession you want because the suggestion upsets you.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Well, telling people to just go about their day is dismissing their issues with this. Everyone has things they are bothered by. I merely brought in the Hrothgar/Viera thing to highlight that point. It seems that people are bothered by seeing glamours they do not wish to see are being dismissed, while others grievances aired on this forum are more readily accepted. I wasn't trying to derail the thread so much as draw a comparison there. There are threads on the forums of people complaining about things that seem trivial to me, but I don't go into their threads and just dismissively tell them to go about their day and deal with it.

Your point has nothing to do with the topic, it was a bad point to try and use in this situation.
Comparing discussions about the lack of Glamour Options on 2 (well mostly 1) poorly handled race is not the same to advocating for Hiding everyones Glamours / Glamours you dont like. Its also a pretty poor point to say "well I dont just tell these people to deal with it" because....so what? We arn't talking about those topics, we are talking about This Topic on this Thread.

And once again, I have to repeat this yet again. I find idea of the feature silly, but its not up to me if its added. If it is..cool whatever. I dont support it, but so what? Its an Opinion.
I love and Im baffled how an opinion gets people so upset and they say they are being dismissed! If my opinion has that much power, I question if people really care about their own opinions, that they think they are so easily silenced and shut down because somebody has a different one.
Its pretty unreal.

Why? that just seems like a spiteful concession you want because the suggestion upsets you.

Its also abit spiteful to tell other people to "wear something else"
As was said earlier.