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  1. #3041
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    VerdeLuck's Avatar
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    Ymir Bombullshale
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Its...VERY easy. The boss, the environment, the health meter, the enemy health meter, the party health meter, the mechanics, the effects, the skill effects.
    There is SO much more to look at, then somebody's Avatar & Glamour.
    Dont like it? Just dont look at it
    The more practical solution is to kick anyone from the party who has a skimpy glamour on. Go ERP in limsa not in my farm party.
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  2. #3042
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    Zanarkand-Ronso's Avatar
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    Johanna Yevon
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    The more practical solution is to kick anyone from the party who has a skimpy glamour on. Go ERP in limsa not in my farm party.
    Wearing an outfit; Skimpy, sexy or showing some skin, is not ERP. Just an FYI.
    And kicking people for their glamour just sounds Petty, in the worse possible way....ok i lied, there are worse things.
    But still, pretty bad.
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  3. #3043
    Player Ivtrix's Avatar
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    Ivtrix Impreria
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    Not going to lie I would love to be able to turn it off specifically just for those people who wear the pig suit, the frog shit, the elephant suit.

    That shit is so immersion breaking and dumb I would love to be able to never see it ingame again
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  4. #3044
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    Joven's Avatar
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    Jasmine Clayworth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    No Counter-argument XD
    You just said "Just wear something else" which is basically telling someone what to do / a demand.
    So....yeah.

    And before you think to say "you weren't making a demand"
    Then ill ask...did you really mean it? 'just wear something else' Or was it just some 'gotcha' to look clever?
    I don't need a counter argument for such an idiotic retort.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    Because FFXIV is an MMORPG, a social game, and how players choose to present their characters to other players is an extension of that social aspect of the game. To allow disabling of others glamours undermines the social aspect of the game. I stated this already, but you have yet to acknowledge the point.


    Colour blind options do not disable a feature from the game, they are an accessibility feature. Also nice appeal to emotion. And it would impact my experience for knowing that my glamour is less valid. People like showing off their hard ground gear and other glamour, giving the ability to disable such detracts from the social aspect of the game.
    Except, again, this doesn't disable anything.
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    Gamers don't die, we just go AFK

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  5. #3045
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    Xylira's Avatar
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    Xylira Mierqid
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    Except, again, this doesn't disable anything.
    If it really did nothing, then why are you asking for it?

    Just because you, personally, wouldn't be bothered by other people not seeing your glamours, doesn't mean other people don't take issue with it. I feel like a broken record, but FFXIV is an MMORPG, and MMORPGs are inherently social games. Part of the enjoyment of playing an MMORPG for many players is getting to customize their character for themselves and others to see. Adding an option to disable this undermines the whole point of the glamour system, and character customization in general.
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  6. #3046
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    MaxCarnage's Avatar
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    Adiah Highborn
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    Faerie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    If it were that easy, it would have been added to the game in 2020 or sooner.
    ...over 300 pages ago
    That still doesn't mean things can't be implemented later. There are lots of examples of this.

    When the game launched in August 2013, there were no glamours. Glamours were introduced in March 2014. And even then, it took until January 2018 to get glamour dressers. It took until August 2022 to get an expansion to that glamour dresser. That seems like a lot of time in between. But they still came.

    Vieras were first announced in February 2019. Took until November 2021 to get any new hair.

    Cross-world travel didn't get introduced until April 2019. July 2022 for Cross-data centre travel.

    T1 was first introduced on the release of A Realm Reborn. People asked for easier raids. Took until June 2015 for them to separate normal and savage raids.

    Things can and do get introduced later. After years of people asking for them. Resources or not.
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  7. #3047
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    Zanarkand-Ronso's Avatar
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    Johanna Yevon
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    Adamantoise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    I don't need a counter argument for such an idiotic retort.
    Just saying you dont have one, with extra steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaxCarnage View Post
    That still doesn't mean things can't be implemented later. There are lots of examples of this.

    When the game launched in August 2013, there were no glamours. Glamours were introduced in March 2014. And even then, it took until January 2018 to get glamour dressers. It took until August 2022 to get an expansion to that glamour dresser. That seems like a lot of time in between. But they still came.

    Vieras were first announced in February 2019. Took until November 2021 to get any new hair.

    Cross-world travel didn't get introduced until April 2019. July 2022 for Cross-data centre travel.

    T1 was first introduced on the release of A Realm Reborn. People asked for easier raids. Took until June 2015 for them to separate normal and savage raids.

    Things can and do get introduced later. After years of people asking for them. Resources or not.
    Hey, ANYTHING is possible.
    I said I dont support the feature or find it necessary. But I never discounted it COULD ever happen.
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  8. #3048
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    Jasmine Clayworth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    If it really did nothing, then why are you asking for it?

    Just because you, personally, wouldn't be bothered by other people not seeing your glamours, doesn't mean other people don't take issue with it. I feel like a broken record, but FFXIV is an MMORPG, and MMORPGs are inherently social games. Part of the enjoyment of playing an MMORPG for many players is getting to customize their character for themselves and others to see. Adding an option to disable this undermines the whole point of the glamour system, and player customization in general.
    Because the way you're over blowing the idea of "disabling" glamours. I can already remove character names from my screen if I want to. To some their character's name is just as important as their outfit. I can mute their performances which could be seen as a form of expression just like glamours. I can even mute people outright from the chat. All of that and for some reason people draw the line at glamours.
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  9. #3049
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    Xylira Mierqid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    Because the way you're over blowing the idea of "disabling" glamours.
    You're over blowing having to see other player's glamours.
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  10. #3050
    Player Kolaina's Avatar
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    Hazy Dreams
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    Ahh, you mean like flippantly claiming that someone is being obstinate and willfully ignoring one side of the argument simply because they disagree with a position? Or how about then going on to talk down to them like they're just stupid and 'just don't get the facts', which said 'facts' were incorrect by the way. Do those not count as throwing out incorrect assumptions and trying to pick a fight
    You were willfully ignoring one side of the argument because you won't even address it. You were saying that these people will somehow have control over what you wear, which is simply not the case. Also, the facts aren't incorrect just because you say they are. It is a fact that what people see on their screen has 0 effect on you. That is not debatable. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    Because FFXIV is an MMORPG, a social game, and how players choose to present their characters to other players is an extension of that social aspect of the game. To allow disabling of others glamours undermines the social aspect of the game. I stated this already, but you have yet to acknowledge the point.
    If these people are not associated with you, and don't chose to associate with you, then it should not matter to you. You are in their world as much as they are in yours. If people want to live in a medieval fantasy land where tanks are iron-clad and healers wear robes, there is 0 harm in that. That is how this game started, by the way, before glamour even existed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    And it would impact my experience for knowing that my glamour is less valid. People like showing off their hard ground gear and other glamour, giving the ability to disable such detracts from the social aspect of the game.
    Except you wouldn't know, because you wouldn't know who has it turned on. You wouldn't know if anyone has it turned on, especially those that do not associate with you. You still get to wear your glamour, thinking you look good, and other people don't have to look. It's not like you don't exist. You are as you always were; just another player standing around. Unimportant to someone else's story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    Also nice appeal to emotion.
    Way to try and accuse me of manipulation. Not appealing to emotion, I'm simply saying that it is a visual toggle. A comparison just to make it easier to understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    This is the funniest thing I've read all day.

    So it's a control issue for me to have my character appear as I'd prefer, yet somehow not also a control issue for other people trying to force how they perceive everyone else around them. Flawless logic

    Once again, you've entirely ignored the substance of my arguments, pretended like I made none, and resorted to ad hominems.
    Ad hominem seem to be a common buzzword on the forums. But I'll address what you say and I will repeat; You will still get to dress in your glamour. For someone to have control over you in this situation, they would have to take that away from you. Nothing is being removed from you, your character, or your experience. They are just enhancing their own experiences by removing god awful visuals. Which again, you would have no knowledge of the individual doing so. If that part bothers you so much, the not knowing, it sounds more like a psychological thing. And there is nothing that can stop you from feeling that way. But that does not change the in game experience for either party.
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