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  1. #881
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    Avatar de SieyaM
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    novembre 2017
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    Sieya Mizuno
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Arcaniste Lv 100
    Citation Envoyé par Packetdancer Voir le message
    I mean, the main reason I would be in favor of adding a personal meter and analysis tool is for the sake of console players.

    On PC, you can run a parser and then break down your log and look at "Oh, I am forgetting to refresh my DoT in the middle of healing people up" or "I'm letting this slip from where it should be lined up" or even just wail on a training dummy and check whether Food A or Food B seems to work better for raw damage for you, etc.

    If you play on console, you are out-of-luck. This isn't to say that console players cannot clear high-end content; demonstrably they can. But I know a lot of competent console players who have relied on a PC friend to come log them pounding on a training dummy so that they have those logs to analyze.

    Having some sort of tool for your own analysis and self-improvement built-in... I feel like that would benefit console players greatly. But I don't think it needs to be a general tell-you-everyone's-numbers damage meter.
    The problem with having a damage meter is that is doesn't provide any of the information you're looking for. It will not tell you if DoTs are falling off or if you're missing your oGCDs or what, it will only tell you DPS. The parsing tools that people are using now tell you all of that. What you want is an actual analysis of your performance not a DPS meter.
    (2)

  2. #882
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    Avatar de Deceptus
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    septembre 2013
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    The Goblet - 16th Ward, Plot 55
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    Deceptus Keelon
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par SieyaM Voir le message
    The problem with having a damage meter is that is doesn't provide any of the information you're looking for. It will not tell you if DoTs are falling off or if you're missing your oGCDs or what, it will only tell you DPS. The parsing tools that people are using now tell you all of that. What you want is an actual analysis of your performance not a DPS meter.
    It's better than not having any info (console players)
    (3)
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  3. #883
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    Avatar de SieyaM
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    novembre 2017
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    Sieya Mizuno
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Arcaniste Lv 100
    Citation Envoyé par Deceptus Voir le message
    It's better than not having any info (console players)
    Not really, even if you do find out your DPS is low, you will still need to use other tools to find out why and how to improve. You are still having to go outside the game to actually do anything about it.
    (2)

  4. #884
    Player Avatar de FireMage
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    aot 2015
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    Firemage Li
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    Citation Envoyé par Ivtrix Voir le message
    The 4 RDM meta

    Myself
    Firemage
    Need 2 more insufferable RDMs
    One insufferable RDM is enough, I don't need to have two nore of you
    (0)

  5. #885
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    Avatar de Renalt
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    avril 2022
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    Uldah
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    Renalt El'doran
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Barde Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par FireMage Voir le message
    One insufferable RDM is enough, I don't need to have two nore of you
    Something about Kettles and pots...
    (2)
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  6. #886
    Player Avatar de FireMage
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    aot 2015
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    Firemage Li
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Citation Envoyé par Renalt Voir le message
    Something about Kettles and pots...
    I bless every party with my presence, so no there's nothing about pots and kettles
    (0)

  7. #887
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    mars 2015
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    Gridania
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    Sanono Sano
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Faucheur Lv 90
    I don't know if this has been brought up before in this thread. But I have seen a lot of posts elsewhere about people playing this game with anxiety and depression. As someone who was recently diagnosed with depression I feel like a failure almost every day like I can't do anything right. A damage meter or parser as part of the game that I knew everyone had access to even if I turned it off would actually make my life worse. I can't even get myself to que up for normal/alliance raids and trials most of the time. I do try to play well when I'm doing dungeons ect but the thought of other people seeing numerically how bad I'm doing or of having to look at it myself would probably make all the battle content unplayable for me.
    (2)

  8. #888
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    Avatar de ThaCa
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    mars 2022
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    Wise Fuchsia
    World
    Phantom
    Main Class
    Invocateur Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par Sklaf Voir le message
    I don't know if this has been brought up before in this thread. But I have seen a lot of posts elsewhere about people playing this game with anxiety and depression. As someone who was recently diagnosed with depression I feel like a failure almost every day like I can't do anything right. A damage meter or parser as part of the game that I knew everyone had access to even if I turned it off would actually make my life worse. I can't even get myself to que up for normal/alliance raids and trials most of the time. I do try to play well when I'm doing dungeons ect but the thought of other people seeing numerically how bad I'm doing or of having to look at it myself would probably make all the battle content unplayable for me.
    I'm fairly sure most people queuing up for anything below Extremes have seen it all by now, so there's no point worrying about it. If I have to drag a literal corpse through those, I will forget it by the time I'm queuing up for the next thing.
    The level of play for average players is fairly low as are the expectations, nobody is going to keep a track of your name.
    (2)

  9. #889
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    aot 2022
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    Anna Steele
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    Exodus
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    Invocateur Lv 100
    no need. they added a DPS parse meter to the 2nd boss of the new dungeon.
    (1)

  10. #890
    Player
    Avatar de Sklaf
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    mars 2015
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Sanono Sano
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Faucheur Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par ThaCa Voir le message
    I'm fairly sure most people queuing up for anything below Extremes have seen it all by now, so there's no point worrying about it. If I have to drag a literal corpse through those, I will forget it by the time I'm queuing up for the next thing.
    The level of play for average players is fairly low as are the expectations, nobody is going to keep a track of your name.
    I understand that it's not other people most of the time. Its my perception of my own performance. More metrics are just more things for me to hate myself for. The worse it is the harder it is to do the next thing.
    (3)

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