What are the gods for?

[WhiteArchmage]

I bet it's the same for the dev. team. With every new idea they've had they've had to think "well what are the Ascians doing right now" and "what's up with Hydaelyn right now" and "how does this tie into the great war across the eras." I bet they've been restricted. And now we can go anywhere, we can do anything.

And I imagine that as new toys are placed on our newly cleaned floor... we'll start finding new ways to play with them. We're just processing our closure, give SE time to naturally build our interest in whatever's next.

They no longer have to keep tabs on which Ascians can be used for future content and which they can safely kill off off-screen (clean up on aisle 2.3, please, someone left an Emmerololth-shaped splatter there) :^)

I for one am glad we can go back to exploring and adventuring and hence why I'm hoping 7.0 deals with a part of The New World so we can have that wonder of an unexplored land again without dealing with world-ending catastrophes back to back.

Is it weird that I've listened to enough podcasts that have had Moose on them that I was able to hear his voice in this last post of his?

Same, kinda, but I was also following the streams.

[Vyrerus]

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[Lyth]

"The Twelve are the souls of Venat's friends who sacrificed themselves to summon Hydaelyn, and then after Her victory over Zodiark and the Great Sundering, She released those souls, albeit forever changed, not unlike Minfilia, to guide the broken and confused survivors. And then, when the first Calamity came, the circumstances somehow necessitated that they withdraw unto their 'heavens' and they have been watching quietly from there ever since."

They must have had an active presence at some point in time, though, in order for them to be so ingrained in the consciousness of the public. At the very least, I'd guess that they were probably active during the Sixth Astral era, given that various city states are affiliated with individual members of the Twelve and there are a couple of cases where their appearance is linked to its founding (i.e. Halone and Thordan being the most direct link). There's also the question of why anyone knows what they look like, given the various statues that we've encountered as well as the depictions on the astrologian cards.

I wonder if there's a connection between the original Twelve Archons and the Twelve. Or at least, that's an angle that I hope they take, because I do want to know more about the individual members.

[Cleretic]

They must have had an active presence at some point in time, though, in order for them to be so ingrained in the consciousness of the public. At the very least, I'd guess that they were probably active during the Sixth Astral era, given that various city states are affiliated with individual members of the Twelve and there are a couple of cases where their appearance is linked to its founding (i.e. Halone and Thordan being the most direct link). There's also the question of why anyone knows what they look like, given the various statues that we've encountered as well as the depictions on the astrologian cards.

I wonder if there's a connection between the original Twelve Archons and the Twelve. Or at least, that's an angle that I hope they take, because I do want to know more about the individual members.

I believe we have evidence of the Twelve's religion existing in the days of Allag, but I can't find what exactly that evidence is. There's also the Ktisis AST weapon which has symbols of the Twelve (including a single-mooned Menphina symbol), but personally I'm disinclined to take that as proof of much of anything by itself, the game isn't usually that subtle.

[WhiteArchmage]

I believe we have evidence of the Twelve's religion existing in the days of Allag, but I can't find what exactly that evidence is. There's also the Ktisis AST weapon which has symbols of the Twelve (including a single-mooned Menphina symbol), but personally I'm disinclined to take that as proof of much of anything by itself, the game isn't usually that subtle.

There were symbols for Azeyma (Azeyma?) at a Meracydian chapel in Azys La, which I'm not sure if it was entirely an oversight (reusing textures), an oversight later made canon (reusing texture and rolling with it), or *ahem* Intended All Along(tm).

The implication seems to be that The Twelve have appeared or been sighted at important points in previous nations' histories that cults around them began to appear, and sightings of them may have led to unified depictions of them, especially if they've been sighted several times to reinforce said depictions. There are also some details that are off, particularly the Halone in the AST card looks much less armored than the one in Euphrosyne, and even the statues in Ishgard are juuust slightly off compared to what we've seen of her model.

[Necrotica]

There were symbols for Azeyma (Azeyma?) at a Meracydian chapel in Azys La, which I'm not sure if it was entirely an oversight (reusing textures), an oversight later made canon (reusing texture and rolling with it), or *ahem* Intended All Along(tm).

The implication seems to be that The Twelve have appeared or been sighted at important points in previous nations' histories that cults around them began to appear, and sightings of them may have led to unified depictions of them, especially if they've been sighted several times to reinforce said depictions. There are also some details that are off, particularly the Halone in the AST card looks much less armored than the one in Euphrosyne, and even the statues in Ishgard are juuust slightly off compared to what we've seen of her model.

Can hardly blame the stone carvers for wanting to portray the female form with more female form showing.

[Necrotica]

It seems the answer is...they love us from afar and do jack-all to help us.

Wonderful.

[KageTokage]

I'd assume the reason for the stance they're taking is...

because Hydaelyn didn't want a "repeat" of the Zodiark business (That mind, she never actually allowed to even begin to pan out) with people becoming overly reliant upon gods.

Their purpose of essentially being the lynchpin that kept both the star and mankind from falling to ruin in the wake of the sundering is one I had long thought would be the case, but I'm mostly wondering if they still have some active role to play in either regard because existence is still in a fundamentally unnatural state of questionable stability.

[sidurgu-12]

Ten characters

it may have been dumb but i was really hoping they werent connected to the ancients since to me it just shrank the lore more.On the other hand i do want to know who the 13th is. I have to admit though i am a bit salty since i really loved the previous lore. It wasnt extremely in depth but still.

[Joven]

https://youtu.be/UOh6CDUpfcY