Stricter requirements for Mentors.

[MistakeNot]

Do you know how many trade mentors do not know how to do expert crafting when asked?

How, and why, do these people even qualify for the status if they don't know how to play the game.

I think stricter requirements are the only solution to weed out the people that want the status just for the symbol next to their name.

Knowing how to play the game doesn't mean knowing everything about the game.
Your stricter requirements will not ensure mentors will know the answers to every question. Nothing can ensure that.

What is needed is to weed out the people who don't want to help and teach newbies. No in-game requirements can do that.

[Heroman3003]

Those requirements are downright ridiculous. What is however needed for mentors is some sort of behaviour filtering and forceful removal if they are actively unhelpful. Savage raiding is done by the top 1% tryhards mostly and is not good representative of knowledge of the game as a whole; same for max level master recipies. Its not their knowledge of latest savage fight that matters, its their ability to quickly recognize whether the orbs random lvl 70 dungeon boss spawns are something to collect or to avoid and tell the party about it. Width of knowledge over the entire game rather than the useless 1% savage.

[DixieBellOCE]

Savage raiding is done by the top 1% tryhards

Not sure where you got that 1% are tryhards from.

The clear rates foe E8S last expansion were documented in comparison to active level 90 characters.
And this is NON-Echo clears, so while the tier was CURRENT content.

Datacenters:
Mana: 22.3%
Gaia: 19.09%
Elemental: 17.92%
Aether 10.79%
Chaos: 10.61%
Primal: 10.33%
Light: 9.55%
Crystal 4.45%

Individual Servers:


Globally it was 13.15% of players completing the full tier, with 25% clearing E5, 21.51% clearing E6 and 19.03% clearing E7.

So if 25% of the playerbase cleared atleast 1 fight on savage last expansion, does that mean that a whole quarter of the playerbase are tryhards?

[Kolaina]

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Your idea is unpopular. Leave it at that. Not everyone believes only the top % have something worth contributing to the community.

Let’s move along now

[Krotoan]

Sprout: "hey how do I color my armor?"

NewQualificationsMentor: "IN PHASE 3 YOU NEED TO GO TO YOUR MARKER AND KILL ONLY THE BLUE ADDS"



.. yup.. OP definitely understands what the mentor role was intended to be.

[MaxCarnage]

And this is NON-Echo clears, so while the tier was CURRENT content.

Datacenters:
Mana: 22.3%
Gaia: 19.09%
Elemental: 17.92%
Aether 10.79%
Chaos: 10.61%
Primal: 10.33%
Light: 9.55%
Crystal 4.45%

Okay, so if we go by those numbers and the requirements you would implement for battle mentor status, I have to ask: how many of those raiders also PVP?

And for full mentor: how many of those raiders who PVP also craft?

You have just shrunk your pool exponentially. Your requirements are ridiculous. Full stop.

[DeNada]

To be fair, the current qualifications to become a mentor is definitely too low, especially a trade mentor.

I've seen plenty of 'trade mentors' who just utilize the novice network as a general chat channel and ended up clogging up the 100 mentor limits which is currently too low.

[ICountFrom0]

Oh and Dixie, before you start setting 'qualifications", Ill just draw your attention to the merits..or lack thereof..of CURRENT NA mentors who, when asked a question, responded with "Google it". If THAT is the calibre of your current mentors, then you got MUCH bigger problems.

THAT happened to a sprout three days ago. They were..unimpressed.

"Google it" is NOT an answer any new player should receive..so with all honesty, maybe what you might want to do beforehand is to make sure that the people who are mentors are suited to BE mentors in the first place?

Having done all of that doesnt mean they can teach, or will be willing to teach, or are suited in any way to help new players..

Having given the answer, "Google it" I will stand by it.

I'm not going to go into a 12 page explanation of the exact lore reasons behind why good king moogle mog exists.

It's not a mentor's job to actually know everything.

It's not even a mentor's job to teach.

Let me quote you, exactly, the requirements for mentor.

Mentors are expected to:
-Provide gameplay advice for new adventurers.
-Be an exemplar for player etiquette.
-Invite new adventurers to the Novice Network, and answer their queries in the chat channel.

"NO" is an answer.


Lets be honest, somebody hurt you, deeply. What happened? What made you this way that you can't accept that sometimes folks won't have the perfect answer for you?

[Kewitt]

I've ended up in Trails and DR leveling where the mentor was useless and I helped the person more than the mentor.
Mentor means less currently because there is no way to reward the mentor for helping out personally.

Go do 2,000 roulettes.

It should get 2,000 comms from the "returner" or "new adventurer" in DR mentors.
That way you have to work for your reward, not just run content.

My raid group died mid-Shadowbringers, that doesn't make me less capable I just don't have the time to devote to raiding. That doesn't mean I don't understand the game or can't help people new to the game or unfamiliar with the changes.

[Jeeqbit]

so removing the mount removes ANY need to grind.

will still have bad mentors, but the ones wanting to grind "efficiently" will be far fewer

That's naive. People don't just wear the mentor status for the mount. I am not talking about the mount. I am talking about other grinds for relics and new content.

Let's say you have to farm a Stormblood dungeon for a relic. Regardless of if you are a mentor, if you are a veteran player that's done these grinds every expansion, you most likely want to get through that dungeon efficiently and farm it. But that sprout tank in your party might want to take it slow, because they are new and it's their first time.

I'm trying to say that veteran players know how everything works and just want to get through the content efficiently. They often forget what it's like to be a new player and become brash and self-confident in how good they are at a game. It's an easy trap to fall into and they don't always realize it.

My point is they could become a mentor to help by sharing their knowledge and to say they are a veteran player, but subconsciously have transformed into this overconfident, brash person that is trying to make new players gogogo in a dungeon, forgetting how they haven't completed the map, don't know what to expect and don't really know all the things the veteran player knows. Because the veteran player isn't putting themselves in the shoes of the new player enough and remembering what it was like.

It's just a trap I've seen from veterans in any game and eventually they have to look at their own attitude, and remember, what it was like to be new. It's just the veterans in this game often (but not always) wear an icon.