Dear Squeenix: Instead of using FOMO to promote PVP...

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Instead of making a thread, that tell us nothing, can you explain how is CC unfun? I would like to hear that, instead of this bait

Good question, I keep seeing the notion something being not fun, but generally when asked about it they often fail to identify their actual issue and just keep going in circles, leading ultimately to no changes at all or to changes that may lead to "see you guys did the thing and it is still bad, just remove it".

Players are good at identifying that there is a problem for them to begin with.
They are really bad at identifying what the real issue for them is let alone what solution would even work.

Game design ez btw just press some buttons.

[SaltyDaddy]

Throwing matches is a norm and has been since Feast days. It's incredibly easy to get into the same match as your friends and throw to help their ranks go up if you end up on opposing teams. ToS violation or not, people are actively doing it. This is why I'm very firm against a legit ranked competition coming back with exclusive rewards behind it because it will just become Feast 2.0 even more than it already is.

Sure, we can take that as an argument. But that was mainly, because not many ppl actually played Feast, so PvP culture was very small and it was much more easy to see same ppl over and over again.

But now, CC is actually big. It made PvP casual friendly. Nobody throws ranked now, its dead completly, because there is literally 0 reason to do it. Why would you do dead ranked with 0 rewards, when you can just quee casuals and actually get matches? PvP community is now much bigger, that if they made ranked alive by giving it rewards, actually trying to wintrade with current quee changes would be much more harder than it was during feast.

Ppl who throw casuals are ppl like Jamie, who plays PvP just because they wanted to get that series mount. But those players would never compete in ranked, because of skill issues.

[Nanne]

Sure, we can take that as an argument. But that was mainly, because not many ppl actually played Feast, so PvP culture was very small and it was much more easy to see same ppl over and over again.

And this didn't stop it from happening even in CC season 1 where the mode was the most active And not nearly everyone got punished for it even when a few did

[Saraide]

Sure, we can take that as an argument. But that was mainly, because not many ppl actually played Feast, so PvP culture was very small and it was much more easy to see same ppl over and over again.

But now, CC is actually big. It made PvP casual friendly. Nobody throws ranked now, its dead completly, because there is literally 0 reason to do it. Why would you do dead ranked with 0 rewards, when you can just quee casuals and actually get matches? PvP community is now much bigger, that if they made ranked alive by giving it rewards, actually trying to wintrade with current quee changes would be much more harder than it was during feast.

Ppl who throw casuals are ppl like Jamie, who plays PvP just because they wanted to get that series mount. But those players would never compete in ranked, because of skill issues.

The weird thing is that a good ranked structure would help people who arent good at pvp far more than an unrestricted casual queue. Ideally a ranked structure groups you up with people of your skill level, making matches a lot more balanced than grouping up the worst silver 3 fools on one team and the best crystal 1 nerds on the other.

[LianaThorne]

Sure, we can take that as an argument. But that was mainly, because not many ppl actually played Feast, so PvP culture was very small and it was much more easy to see same ppl over and over again.

But now, CC is actually big. It made PvP casual friendly. Nobody throws ranked now, its dead completly, because there is literally 0 reason to do it. Why would you do dead ranked with 0 rewards, when you can just quee casuals and actually get matches? PvP community is now much bigger, that if they made ranked alive by giving it rewards, actually trying to wintrade with current quee changes would be much more harder than it was during feast.

Ppl who throw casuals are ppl like Jamie, who plays PvP just because they wanted to get that series mount. But those players would never compete in ranked, because of skill issues.

I mean, something as simple as rank flexing is enough reward for some. Look at those who pay for a carry through ultimate just for the ability to wear the title as an example.

[JamieRose]

Sure, we can take that as an argument. But that was mainly, because not many ppl actually played Feast, so PvP culture was very small and it was much more easy to see same ppl over and over again.

But now, CC is actually big. It made PvP casual friendly. Nobody throws ranked now, its dead completly, because there is literally 0 reason to do it. Why would you do dead ranked with 0 rewards, when you can just quee casuals and actually get matches? PvP community is now much bigger, that if they made ranked alive by giving it rewards, actually trying to wintrade with current quee changes would be much more harder than it was during feast.

Ppl who throw casuals are ppl like Jamie, who plays PvP just because they wanted to get that series mount. But those players would never compete in ranked, because of skill issues.

Did you just accuse me of throwing?

[ThaCa]

Maybe they should use more FOMO, there were less Crystal ranks than top 100 players on Light last Season.

[Saraide]

Did you just accuse me of throwing?

I think what they mean to imply is that you are not very good at pvp which in turn could easily make the people that are playing with you think it was infact you that is throwing the same way you think they are the ones throwing.

[AnotherPerson]

Maybe they should use more FOMO, there were less Crystal ranks than top 100 players on Light last Season.

No rewards, no incentive.
I didn't bother aiming for Crystal rank last season either. I already got Crystal for multiple seasons and the only thing that changed was a logo that went from I to III.

I might try this season just for the new map, but still, no rewards. No actual reason to do it competitively. I can sink my time doing other stuff that has more rewards.

[CaptainLagbeard]

PvP does need less FOMO, since it is pretty heavily luck based as it is as you have to get randomly assigned competent teammates.

The main incentive there really is to do PvP is the Series rewards, and having somewhat limited time to suffer through those few hundred CC matches to get them makes it even less fun.


Ranked is even less fun, since you can keep losing them stars to no fault of your own.