Dear Squeenix: Instead of using FOMO to promote PVP...

[JamieRose]

That's because there's no real incentive to grind out a win. In ranked you only derank to a certain level and in casual, you get 700 Series EXP per defeat and 900 Series EXP per victory regardless of how long the game takes. Not to mention the lack of fixed composition or team queue means you often get sub-optimal teams. Win or lose, the reward structure rewards doing it quickly rather than grinding out a result as losing 20 games quickly is worth more Series XP than winning 15 games slowly.

So people are throwing? Good to know that's why I'm losing so much.

It's doesn't make losing any less frustrating.

[Vahlnir]

So people are throwing? Good to know that's why I'm losing so much.

It's doesn't make losing any less frustrating.

Purposely throwing a match is a ToS violation, so I think that some people just do the bare minimum, even if it's just getting KO'ed and running back ad nauseam. They are technically making an attempt, just not a good one. But I do think that a lot of people just don't understand that FF XIV PvP isn't just player vs player.

[Johners]

Purposely throwing a match is a ToS violation, so I think that some people just do the bare minimum, even if it's just getting KO'ed and running back ad nauseam. They are technically making an attempt, just not a good one. But I do think that a lot of people just don't understand that FF XIV PvP isn't just player vs player.

I've had plenty of games this weekend, grinding out my PvP Series rank last minute, in which people are clearly throwing by just fighting near the point and magically letting someone push the crystal... not that I'd blame them for it. It's 700 Series EXP for a defeat and 900 for a victory. Statistically it's better to lose fast and queue again than it is to push 3+ minutes of overtime and win (assuming you even win by doing that).

[Vahlnir]

I've had plenty of games this weekend, grinding out my PvP Series rank last minute, in which people are clearly throwing by just fighting near the point and magically letting someone push the crystal... not that I'd blame them for it. It's 700 Series EXP for a defeat and 900 for a victory. Statistically it's better to lose fast and queue again than it is to push 3+ minutes of overtime and win (assuming you even win by doing that).

Right, but if they are still participating it is hard to prove intent. And they know this, I'm sure.

[SturmChurro]

Purposely throwing a match is a ToS violation, so I think that some people just do the bare minimum, even if it's just getting KO'ed and running back ad nauseam. They are technically making an attempt, just not a good one. But I do think that a lot of people just don't understand that FF XIV PvP isn't just player vs player.

I have seen multiple times people intentionally throwing or just plainly giving up. It was usually accompanied by "good game" spam or whatever, if I am not mistaken. Anyway, a fool proof way of throwing and trying to skirt a ban is just to play bad; who is going to prove it? Although, yeah, there can be some really bad players.

[Vahlnir]

Anyway, a fool proof way of throwing and trying to skirt a ban is just to play bad; who is going to prove it?

I'd imagine that there's more than a few people who do exactly this.

[LianaThorne]

Purposely throwing a match is a ToS violation, so I think that some people just do the bare minimum, even if it's just getting KO'ed and running back ad nauseam. They are technically making an attempt, just not a good one. But I do think that a lot of people just don't understand that FF XIV PvP isn't just player vs player.

Throwing matches is a norm and has been since Feast days. It's incredibly easy to get into the same match as your friends and throw to help their ranks go up if you end up on opposing teams. ToS violation or not, people are actively doing it. This is why I'm very firm against a legit ranked competition coming back with exclusive rewards behind it because it will just become Feast 2.0 even more than it already is.

[SaltyDaddy]

Throwing matches is a norm and has been since Feast days. It's incredibly easy to get into the same match as your friends and throw to help their ranks go up if you end up on opposing teams. ToS violation or not, people are actively doing it. This is why I'm very firm against a legit ranked competition coming back with exclusive rewards behind it because it will just become Feast 2.0 even more than it already is.

Sure, we can take that as an argument. But that was mainly, because not many ppl actually played Feast, so PvP culture was very small and it was much more easy to see same ppl over and over again.

But now, CC is actually big. It made PvP casual friendly. Nobody throws ranked now, its dead completly, because there is literally 0 reason to do it. Why would you do dead ranked with 0 rewards, when you can just quee casuals and actually get matches? PvP community is now much bigger, that if they made ranked alive by giving it rewards, actually trying to wintrade with current quee changes would be much more harder than it was during feast.

Ppl who throw casuals are ppl like Jamie, who plays PvP just because they wanted to get that series mount. But those players would never compete in ranked, because of skill issues.

[Nanne]

Sure, we can take that as an argument. But that was mainly, because not many ppl actually played Feast, so PvP culture was very small and it was much more easy to see same ppl over and over again.

And this didn't stop it from happening even in CC season 1 where the mode was the most active And not nearly everyone got punished for it even when a few did

[Saraide]

Sure, we can take that as an argument. But that was mainly, because not many ppl actually played Feast, so PvP culture was very small and it was much more easy to see same ppl over and over again.

But now, CC is actually big. It made PvP casual friendly. Nobody throws ranked now, its dead completly, because there is literally 0 reason to do it. Why would you do dead ranked with 0 rewards, when you can just quee casuals and actually get matches? PvP community is now much bigger, that if they made ranked alive by giving it rewards, actually trying to wintrade with current quee changes would be much more harder than it was during feast.

Ppl who throw casuals are ppl like Jamie, who plays PvP just because they wanted to get that series mount. But those players would never compete in ranked, because of skill issues.

The weird thing is that a good ranked structure would help people who arent good at pvp far more than an unrestricted casual queue. Ideally a ranked structure groups you up with people of your skill level, making matches a lot more balanced than grouping up the worst silver 3 fools on one team and the best crystal 1 nerds on the other.